From Entertainment Weekly‘s interview with superblogger and Pumpkins/Zwan cueball Billy Corgan…
EW: Which of your two bands is more likely to reunite?
CORGAN: Pumpkins. You’ll never see Zwan. I’ll never go anywhere near those people. Ever. I mean, I detest them. You can put that in capital letters. Bad people. James and D’Arcy are good people. They might be misguided people, but they’re good people.
Corgan goes on to admit he hasn’t seen D’Arcy in six years or James in four (he obviously doesn’t hang out at Rothko), and recommends we don’t hold our breath for a reunion.
Corgan’s solo thing The Future Embrace is out 6/21. Robert Smith makes an appearance on a Bee Gees cover, so that could be cool. Or not. I do like Billy on the Jimmy Chamberlin song Daily Refill posted a few weeks ago.
Ex-Zwanman, current Superwolfer Matt Sweeney declined to comment for the EW article, but he did talk to NY Times about jailed hipster Simon Curtis.
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I heard one song from the leaked promo EP for “Future Embrace”, and it just sounds like boring techno-ish stuff, which is strangely what I pretty much expected.
wait, scratch that……..maybe not “techno-ish”……
industrial lite, maybe?
I saw the video for Billy Corgan’s new release on M2′s Subterranean last night…what is wrong with this man? What is he trying to be? His music is very…I dunno…like bad Roxy Music? Also, why the obsession with the Late 19th/Early 20th century era? The video is full of him in frilly collars, top hats and tails…riding those big-front-wheeled bikes…and I really thought he was through trying to pass for Nosferatu, but maybe I was wrong. Oh Billy…you are so strange.
You should be able to see the video on the Subterranean site eventually…their site is mccrappy:
http://www.mtv2.com/#series/10897
Would love to know what Zwan say about him. Hope they respond. It’s not a good sign when you have to get press by slagging others (a la Elton and Oasis). It reeks of “has been.”
funny. he named his new solo project, and aren’t they all solo projects for this guy, the future embrace. despite the fact that it is neither futristic, nor embracing of said future. what a boor.
billy corgan is so boring, I would like to change the subject to my current favorite stereogum banner ad, the emoticon ad. what’s not to like about this snappy ad copy, “Well, 1998 called. It wants its lame emoticons back.” oh no he didn’t…emoticon war, it is on!
I read this in a David Pajo interview by chilean website (super45.cl).
Super45: What has been the lesson in flirting with the mainstream?
David Pajo: Never trust Billy Corgan.
Maybe this is why:
BILLY CORGAN: “The music wasn’t the big problem, it was more their attitude: `Why do we have to practice? I’d rather be hanging out at the Rainbo.’ Lifestyle stuff. And then you get into what I would call cataclysmic behavioral stuff. Sex acts between band members in public. People carrying drugs across borders. Pajo sleeping with the producer’s girlfriend while we were making the record. I just tried to do what I’ve always done, which is to patch it up and roll it out. You go into a denial state. I got snookered in by really bad people. It’s embarrassing to me. But it wised me up to why I play, and who I love, and it made me appreciate my old band even more.”
The whole article from the Chicago Tribune is here:
http://www.zwanmusic.org/newsarchive/366.html if you care. Personally, I’m Corganed out.
According to Billy’s view of things, he’s always the person who’s the most organized, the most together, the neat freak if you will. Everyone else he works with, in his opinion, are: drug addicts, sex perverts, disorganized and unmotivated.
I wonder why he picks those particular people to work with if their personal lives make Billy Corgan so unhappy? Surely there are plenty of musicians out there that would love to work with him that meet his standards.
it’s good to hear that the restraining order between Corgan and good taste is still in effect. Sweeney and Pajo’s musical output will eventually outlive Corgan’s, I can wait.
so funny! corgan “detests” the only members of zwan that have their own personal talent. Long live David Pajo! Long Live Matt Sweeney! as for corgan, i’m uninterested.
C’mon, Corgan did some really great things, and there’s no denying the guy’s talent. That said, the music equivalent of jumping the shark is comparing one’s self to Jesus, which unfortunately Corgan did early in his career.
hah i read that article yesterday, was so weird to see Ryan McGinley and Dash from Vice in there. Strange turn of events, but my gawd nothing that bad really happened and he’s in jail for a year and the gallery owner seems so overly traumatized still. cmon
Yeah, I had never heard of Simon Curtis before reading that article. I had no idea hipster antics could go so wrong.
Bullshit quotation of the day: “Even when you’re puking or getting swastikas drawn on your passed out face you’re thinking, ‘I’m making history.’ “
Billy Corgan never showed an ounce of talent to begin with. I still don’t know why people (myself included) were duped into liking the Pumpkins. The more time has worn on, the more I’ve realized there was nothing there.
I also saw the Corgan vid on MTV2 last night and it was just trying too hard to be something it wasn’t.
I never answer these things but I cannot beleive you say corgan has no talent??? thats insane my god!!! Billy Corgan in my opinion is and will always be one of the best songwritters and composers EVER!!! I know this might be pushing it a little far for some but I put his songwritting kinda up there with Lennon/McCartney… sorry but I do.
Billy Corgan is brilliant and has always been a very talented songwriter, musician, singer. To say he has never had an ounce of talent? That’s crazy talk[/Bart]. Do you even know who you’re speaking of?
hmm.
Corgan eh. Yay 90′s rock! and by yay..I mean fall off a cliff and die.
Don’t forget this choice quote from the EW Corgan interview:
BC: “…my bologna is a little better tasting.”
Sure it is Billy.
i loved most of sp and i saw zwan twice. like the first person, ive heard a few tracks off the new solo record. if its techno it gives techno a bad name. its horrible. lets hope it was a single and three bsides.
bring back zwan. terrible people make better music.
The Superwolf album kicks ass, the Future Embrace is crap. Viva Sweeney!
I didn’t find Zwan that bad. I needed my Smashing Pumpkins fix, and Zwan sufficed until my friend gave me back my Smashing Pumpkins CDs back.
you all are out of your fucking minds. to say corgain is talentless is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. i loved the pumpkins, saw zwan, met the band, and i am very excited about the new album. it should be great. a100 is good, but walking shade is a great song to say the least. plus i dig the 19th/20th century attire… maybe i’ll get a suit like that someday.
He’s one of those guys that you either love or hate. But you can’t deny that those who love him *really* love him. Myself included. And for someone who’s been disappointed by old friends thus far this year, I’m incredibly excited about TheFutureEmbrace. And road tripping to see him this summer.
Plus Matt Sweeney’s songwriting will never, ever, ever match Corgan’s. Ever.
okay, instead of talentless how do you like, “wildly disappointing.”
Okay everybody, Josh met the band so that means they’re good… (sigh) My problem is the idea that Corgan did it all alone. I remember some other people being in the band. Also, I remember Butch Vig having something to do with the sound of Gish and Siamese Dream. Siamese Dream is still my favorite make-out album of all time, but I guarantee you that Billy Corgan will not make another good album until he takes his head out of his ass. He’s good, maybe even very, very good, but when he tries to be a genius he invites derision.
“I tasted fame with Zwan, and it tasted like a turd.”
Best-quote-ever from David Pajo.
I personally loved Zwan, especially live. I was a big Pumpkins fan as well.
Also, I had been under the impression that despite what you might draw from those comments, Billy and Sweeney don’t actually get along that badly still. It’s Billy, Pajo and Paz who hate one another, I believe.
sweeney was in chavez. chavez is one of the greatest bands ever. that’s all that matters here.
The Smashing Pumpkins were by far the most talented band of the 90′s. What other bands put out music that even compared to Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie? His lyrics, guitar playing and songwriting skills are second to none.
Going solo (even though he’s basically been solo since SD) is the best thing for him.
Gish was his best record – one of the best albums of the 90s, handsdown. I used to listen to it literally every morning before highschool (I’m an old, old man). Siamese Dream is mostly great too; but it was all down hill from there. Mellon Shitty and the Infinite Suck broke my heart. “Despite all my rage I’m still just a rat in a cage.” Honestly, what the fuck.
Janine, I wasn’t saying the band is good because i met them. this is my own personal opinion. take it as you may. by the way, i think the adore/machina albums were the best the pumpkins produced. honestly i loved everyone of them, but those two are my favorites. maybe thats one of the reasons i can’t wait for the future embrace (it sounds like adore/machina era pumpkins).
I can deal with “wildly disappointing”. At least you’re speaking in potenially-accurate terminology now. And I was also under that impression that Sweeney and Corgan got along…I could totally see the Corgan-Pajo-Paz thing not working out. yeah.
And Billy had once said, when he was on Politically Incorrect in 2000, about the Pumpkins: “we have a rule in our band – no sex on a show day.” Maybe that’s why he got so pissed off.
okay, I’ll bite. chavez was also wildly disappointing. for serious, the ep and a few songs off the full length maybe. and that’s it. lots of promise, no delivery.
I’ll also bite on this one, david pajo knows what turds taste like?! but really, that seems like an ill thought out statement. he is indie famous already. but no one ever thought, david pajo famous zwan guitarist. his divorce from jessica simpson was never falsely reported by eonline. get serious dude.
Hey, I’m not too impressed with the two new songs either, but don’t think that the album title (TheFutureEmbrace) is supposed to mean “futuristic”-sounding music. Anyone who thinks that hasn’t been paying attention. Billy has said recently (read his MYSPACE quotes) that this album is a tribute to past influences like Joy Division and Echo & The Bunnymen. He said he’s not gonna “hide” them anymore (I guess he “hid” his Hendrix influences on “Rhinoceros” but I discovered it after listening to Jimi’s “3rd Stone From The Sun” way back when).
Also false is the idea that this isn’t the first album Billy’s gone solo (“Adore” and other albums wouldn’t sound the way it does if James Iha’s unbeliebable guitar work wasn’t on there). And, Jimmy Chamberlin NEVER asked for songwriting credit for all his drum work – I’ll never know why I guess.
Billy’s new CD, like all his work, is guaranteed to be at the VERY least GOOD and at very best a CLASSIC. June 21st can’t come soon enough.
sounds like billy’s zwan band members were a bunch of assholes, not the other way around. However, they did make some AMAZING music, the good stuff just wasn’t on the album. I bought the CD/DVD version of mary star of the sea when it came out all the good songs were exclusively on the dvd, it was ridiculous. It was like he accidently put the album songs on the dvd and vis versa. I breathed a sigh of relief when Corgan broke up zwan, because it wasn’t music I could feel. Adore was Corgan’s last work that i could truly identify with until THEFUTUREEMBRACE. The few songs I have heard off the album hit home and reminded me of how Billy used to make music, without fear of expressing his feelings.
Wow. I guess wherever you go on the internet a select group of people will always degrade some of the most amazing work ever. You guys remind me of the people on philosophy.com who no matter how much they were proven wrong tore george lucas a new asshole on episode III. Billy Corgan is the closest thing to a god my agnostic mind can comprhend. I’ve heard everthing from their first concer at the metro on may 10th 1988, all the way to TheFutureEmbrace. Everything he touches turns to gold, nobody has half of the writting/musical talent that corgan has execpt for Dylan, or maybe the cure. I don’t care how much people denie the fact that Corgan is great when all this new age crap like sum 41, good charlotte, or some of that rap crap is dead and gone Billy will still have the mind and the talent to come out with shit to entertain and inspire me while i’m we’ll into the 80′s due to the fact Billy Corgan is a god and even if it’s in his music he will live forever.
I saw James Iha in a Fred Meyer not too long ago. He seems to be doing well. I wanted him to autograpg my pants but before I could ask he said that he wouldnt give an autograph cause Pumpkins was a while ago. I can respect that. But it was still WICKED!
I have yet to hear any from the new album, but I can’t wait.
If Billy stayed less experimental and stuck to his siamese dreams, or even adore style there is not doubt to me he would have been considered a great.
His differing styles on Adore and Machina definetly left many people cold, although I really liked Adore.
Its hard to figure out who’s to blame with all the band trouble. Even though I love Billy, I think its his ego and arrogance that have led to the downfall of the bands.
If you read his autobiography on billycorgan.com you can read a few instances of his arrogance.
Heres a quote that proves this
” …our first order of business is to spend some quality time with Butch Vig (our producer)…James and D’arcy are much more comfortable with Butch around because they feel that there is someone new to pay attention to them and heed any of their concerns…this is something Jimmy and I silently find amusing, because there is a bit of a show to the whole thing that we are long bored with…behind the scenes, there is one way we do business, but in front of anyone else, it’s just a charade that I tolerate…”
http://www.billycorgan.com/confession18.html
i cant believe that anyone would say anything against a god like billy corgan. he is one of the most talented, amazing people ever. his songwriting skills are unmatchable. siamese dream and mellon collie are classics. if he hates zwan, fair enough, i have heard him say a couple of times that the band had a rule not to have sex on show days and all sorts of other things that his bandmates just didnt do right…and billy corgan is always right. he is awesome and i also like his style, whatever it is…the black leather all the time or the 19th century type thing. it doesnt matter what he wears or what he says, its what he thinks and its great that he just does it. and doesnt listen to stupid people. because thats generally what people are, stupid. smashing pumpkins and billy corgan will live on forever and everyone else will die. just like jed said all this new crap will be gone soon…yay! no more tryhard pop-punk bands polluting the radio! i cant even listen to the radio anymore…its all rubbish…and i finish by saying…SAVE THE CREAM CHEESE MAN!!!!
i cant believe that anyone would say anything against a god like billy corgan. he is one of the most talented, amazing people ever. his songwriting skills are unmatchable. siamese dream and mellon collie are classics. if he hates zwan, fair enough, i have heard him say a couple of times that the band had a rule not to have sex on show days and all sorts of other things that his bandmates just didnt do right…and billy corgan is always right. he is awesome and i also like his style, whatever it is…the black leather all the time or the 19th century type thing. it doesnt matter what he wears or what he says, its what he thinks and its great that he just does it. and doesnt listen to stupid people. because thats generally what people are, stupid. smashing pumpkins and billy corgan will live on forever and everyone else will die. just like jed said all this new crap will be gone soon…yay! no more tryhard pop-punk bands polluting the radio! i cant even listen to the radio anymore…its all rubbish…and i finish by saying…SAVE THE CREAM CHEESE MAN!!!!
and billy is beautiful…which is an added bonus…
Billy Corgan’s lyrics might be the best in alternative music history. every time i listen to a pumpkins song, a zwan song, i am captivated in his words. how anyone can say that he and/or is music is bad is beyond me. Billy Corgan is an influence to any alternative band coming out today. im sure his new album will be different than anything he did with smashing pumpkins or with zwan, but as long as its from Billy, it will be great, no doubt.
AMEN to that!
I love The Smashing Pumpkins. -(from Gish all the way up to Machina II – FAEOMM)- “All those albums still kick your ass.” Zwan was alright, too. The couple of tracks that I’ve heard so far from Corgan’s new solo album, The Future Embrace, sound promising aswell. Gloomy & dreamy synth-pop, reminicent of The Cure’s – 17 Seconds/Faith/ Pornography era. Almost “Goth-like”, if there’s such a word. I’m not really sure what all the fuss is about, since Billy Corgan’s new material is not that much different than what The Pumpkins were dishing out during their Adore/Machina I phase. Can’t wait ’til it comes out.
All the posts that refer to pajo fucking suck. ‘fame with zwan tasting like a turd’ What a prick. From now on he should sit on his own playing with himself. Whether people like him or not, Billy has undeniable talent. I don’t like everything he’s ever made but that doesn’t mean he sucks. I’m sure there is someone out there who likes those songs that i don’t and thats just fine
I think the album is going to be great, no matter what others say. Yes, it has a techno-ish flavour on a few tracks, I’d call it gloomy synth-pop. Maybe some people just have to be a bit more open-mided, I get the impression some people just like one genre (rock as it seems) and demand Billy Corgan and other artists to do the same genre over and over again. I myself, want to hear the artist evolve, to grow musically, even if I don’t like the genre the artist picks. Well, I’m sure I’m going to like his new stuff, the 5 songs that I’ve heard (A100, Walking Shade, Now And Then, Mina Loy and Hammer And Nales) all sounded at least good, Walking Shade being the weakest of 5. I’m dowloading the album now, I wanted to wait until the release this monday, but I just can’t wait. I’m downloading it, but I’m certainly going to buy it. Billy isn’t a god at all, he’s just very, very talented and unique. He might be a bit arrogant (I love reading his interviews :)), but he’s a good man with good intentions. You’re going great Billy..
i think a lot of people just expect something like siamese dream or gish always…
and jed… i’m agnostic and I agree he’s a great man… but don’t forget about gandhi or lennon.
but he sure got a great attitude.. man he has written 100s of song… it’s unbelievable (not only the amount, but also the fact that each song is so good it makes me happy)
billy corgan changed a lot since gish… but just listen to his music in a broadminded way
yeah, he makes pop, industrial, whatever. but it’s his way of expression and so far I love it. don’t think it’s worthless because it isn’t grunge. this is the music he loves, even more than what he made before. i don’t think it can be that bad.
but still people expect the heavy guitars from him. give his music a chance.
interviewer: are you going to make the hardrock songs, with heavy guitars again?
billy: I don’t know what you’re talking about
:)
I JUST REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD DAYS.CRACKING OPEN A BEER AND LISTENING TO THE SOUND OF THE MOODY MOOD-SWING OF MELLON COLLIE & THE INFINITE SADNESS!!!THANK-YOU BILLY,FOR THE RECORD ANYONE WHO TALKS TRASH ABOUT BILLY —–DROP DEAD…..
I think that people should at least give Billy a chance, not just hear one song off his solo album and decide it all sucks.
I like everything Corgan has done and yes i do believe he is a God of rock.
But i hope this is the next thing Corgan does.
Rocker Corgan to reform Smashing Pumpkins
June 21, 2005 10:18:53
- Singer Billy Corgan said on Tuesday he plans to revive The Smashing Pumpkins, his Grammy-winning band which broke up in 2000 after more than a decade of blending alternative rock with the avant-garde.
In full-page advertisements in Chicago newspapers, the bald-headed Corgan said, “I want my band back, and my songs, and my dreams.”
He did not say which if any of the band’s former members would be involved in the revived group, which broke through with albums such as “Gish” and “Siamese Dream.”
The Pumpkins’ top selling album was “Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness” which came out in 1995, but as the 1990s progressed their work became increasingly obscure as tensions arose in the group.
They broke up over differences among its four members and Corgan has since jumped from project to project but failed to match his early success.
Corgan, based in Chicago, has just released a solo album, “TheFutureEmbrace” on Reprise Records.
He did not say when he would try to reform the Pumpkins but the new album “represents a new beginning, not an ending. It picks up the thread of the as-yet-unfinished work and charter of The Smashing Pumpkins,” he said.
- Entertainment Weekly
you have to respect a man who doesn’t revert to making FIVE OF THE EXACT SAME ALBUMS like so many other artists out there. like it or not, subsequent Siamese Dream-like albums would have sucked hardcore.
the majority of other popular musicians in the whole world need to realize that fact.
you guys are wicked retarded
I don’t know about you. But I think that the problems were mostly between Corgan agains Pajo and Paz. Remember Pajo and Paz had like an alliance and even did Papa M together for a while. In the Zwan dvd I remember how Paz said she likes sex and porno, some of you might not be aware of that because she said it in spanish. So the sex thing was definetly against here I think. As well as Pajo for sleeping with that one chick. Anyways, I dont think sex makes you a bad person. but drugs yeah! as for Pajo, he was never really faithful to Zwan, he had his own project going on. As for Paz, i think she’s the best, porno or not.
the smashing pumpkins were great 10+ years ago, but then got old and billy corgan was left to shave his head and become irrelevant. has he been on any reality shows yet? maybe pajo is irrelevant anymore too, but his resume is much more impressive (slint, king kong, palace, the for carnation, tortoise, etc.), i dont care who sold more t-shirts. and you can still go back and without a stitch of irony listen to the stuff pajo has been involved with.
point indie snobbery.
paz lenchantin je t’aime
First of all anyone to sit up there and say Billy Corgan has no talent, is not only YOUR opinion, and not fact, but also bullshit, because I don’t think he would have made it with no talent. No talent is someone just having stuff written for them, and standing up there looking pretty, playing songs, or singing songs they didn’t write. Billy is very artistic, and talented, and seems very very passionate about his work, and if people (Zawn) acted like that around him, I don’t blame him for “detesting” them, cause I would too. Being an artist myself, his sounds have always inspired me, and still continue to.
good service
there’s a difference between a musician and an artist. unresolved differences create tension.
zwan, for what it is worth, in my opinion, fucking rocked.
too bad they couldn’t get along.
I think it could be argued that Slint, with one e.p., had more of an “impact” on the sound of guitar rock than Billy did with his seemingly thousands of hours of released music.
That said, Billy’s griped are justified enough. It all falls under the heading of “opinion” at the end of the day. I mean, rock bands break-up, and as “meaningful” as I find rock ‘n’ roll, there are few events less worthy of mention.
To my ears, “Future Embrace” is fuckloads better than the Zwan record. Although ultimately neither is very good.
I personally believe that Chavez were the best “guitar rock” band of the nineties. No band that played live that seldom had any right being that fucking revelatory on stage. Inconceivably good.
And finally, Simon Curtis is the shit. Hopefully, now that he’s a free man, the world will know full-well of this long neglected, pervert visionary.
I have been listening to the Smashing Pumpkins and have followed them all the way to Adore, and honestly did not find any interest in Zwan because deep down i understood that Billy was trying to “live out old dreams” through new measures. So i did not even give them a chance because i knew they were going to fail, it seemed impossible to re-live an old love through other people. It just goes to show that the man was so hurt at the break up of his band that he had to substitute them somehow…and FAST! Now when it comes to placing blame on band members, fine…the Zwan members may have been a little childish in their ways, but Billy must re-check his own feelings and come to terms with his own ugly self, so-to-speak, before casting stones at the people he is working with. Basically, the man i feel was bitter about his break up and needed to “vent” onto something. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out, just a little patience and some clear thinking! Now about “The Future Embrace”, well, it might not be his best work ever, and we all know it is not, but just being “his” work makes it special in some way. I have looked at most of the lyrics in the inner fold, i have look at the picture (what are those blothces by the way? – is that the birthmark he was talking about all this time?) and came to think that he is this time on this this album “undressing” himself to us. First in his writings about his personal life along with the cover art with all his lyrics. Billy has always been a man of courage, both lyrical and emotional. And i do give the man alot of credit. So for all you naysayers, try to keep your impulsive thoughts in check and be offensive when really necessary.
The people who are talking shit probably couldn’t tell the difference between their dicks and their thumbs if they had an anatomy chart. If you can’t appreciate excellent arrangement, songwriting, execution, and presentation don’t bother posting your misguided opinions on web site forums to try and sound smart and edgy. You don’t, so die. For those that write their comments with their heads lodged in Billy Corgan’s ass, tone it down a bit. You make fellow fans want to vomit up blood.
I’m not going to go around saying definitively what was the best era for the pumpkins as if something like that could really be a fact, but in my opinion they just kept getting better with age. Billy’s songwriting and creativity in general developed so well throughout their career… Gish and Siamese Dream were a lot more similar to each other in sound than any other two consecutive Pumpkins releases and as their first two albums really set in stone what the Pumpkins sounded like to a lot of people. What I relaly liked, though, was how Billy moved away from that guitar rock sound in the later albums and instead focused on making albums that weren’t restrained by that. In my opinion, Machina was the best thing they ever did and Adore was their second best album. Machina II was good but was basically a set of demos, and I thought Zwan was great but again not what people were expecting at the time – a return to Corgan’s guitar heavy rock (a few of the songs, like Endless Summer, actually date back to the Mellon Collie days – an early demo of that song is on Billy’s gravity demos) only really happy. TheFutureEmbrace is just plain disappointing, though. It sounds far too much like Billy Corgan wants to be Joy Division or The Cure. I never dug 80′s synth-goth stuff, and honestly it really isn’t that similar to the late Pumpkins atmospheric sound at all. It’s just a bunch of synths over drum machine.
I think The Smashing Pumpkins, Zwan, and Billy’s solo work are all very good in there own respects. I like ALL the albums! I might be biased since i picked up the drums in the 6th grade when i heard/saw Jimmy Chamberlin. However, there music cannot be denied. Hard, progressive, electronica, soft, ballads, classic rawk, indie, pop rawk, i mean can you really classify all of his work? That is talent! Nothing always stale. I appreciate, respect, and enjoy all of it. I mean TEITBITE/EYE … ZERO/JELLYBELLY….TO SHELIA/AVA ADORE…HONESTLY/JESUS I…MINA LOY(M.O.H)/A100….tooo many memories.. to much to like than to sit, argue, and bitch… If you like it you like it you like it …if you dont you dont you dont….Love him / hate him… no one will ever agree…so whats the fucking point. Like Manson said you dont like my concerts dont come. You dont like a show..(american idol…etc) turn the channel…you dont like the radio…change it or put on a cd. I think Pajo, Paz, Sweeney…are good musicians.. Zwan is a tragedy. a waste of good potential. I wish them well. Billy/Jimmy… we all know will continue to shine and do well… May We All Rawk…and Rawk HARD!!!!!
Peace, Love, or Annihilation…
TYLER…
drummer 4 (M.O.G)
Love Billy but don’t love new album style. Bring Pumpkins back and Billy grow your hair back! You were so adorable!
Sorry guys I’ve met Billy and I think he’s a great guy. I was outside the London Forum gig when he did the Future Embrace Tour and he stayed and signed EVERYONE’S stuff. He didn’t have to … I was just hoping to see him. The sad thing is that he seems to come under-fire from everyone on the web, but at the end of the day he’s an amasing artist. Look at the pain and sadness in Adore, look at the mind blowing riffs in Seimese dream … I could go on but I’d be boring. Can’t wait for SP to reform!
Matt Sweeney is a friggin’ jackass. I met him at a party back in Detroit – the guy was trying to pick a fight with the whole party for no apparent reason at all… he’s lucky we all felt sorry for him.
PAZ PORNO FTW. BILLY GORGON FTL. XD
“Billy Corgan never showed an ounce of talent to begin with. I still don’t know why people (myself included) were duped into liking the Pumpkins. The more time has worn on, the more I’ve realized there was nothing there.”
What planet are you on? Billy Corgan is a genius, end of story. If you can’t identify a talented musician that’s your problem. Not only is he an amazing songwriter and vocalist, he’s a guitar legend too.