Looks like our favorite pot-smoking Dave Matthews covering Countryman learns his 9/11 conspiracies from Las Vegas, telling Alex Jones on live national radio, “I saw those towers fall and I’ve seen an implosion in Las Vegas — there’s too much similarities between the two, and I saw a building fall that didn’t get hit by nothing. How naive are we — what do they think we’ll go for?” (via Daily Swarm via Prison Planet)
Very thoughtful of Jones to pause when he starts talking about voices in Willie’s head. Where’s Stockhausen when you need a follow-up? Oh right, he’s dead.
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Leave poor Willie alone everyone. He’s just a geriatric pot-head who’s becoming a little senile. It happens to the best of us!
“Furthermore, I find it funny that since your all safe and snug behind your computer screen, you talk big and put down everyone, when in all actuality, if this were something like 12 Angry Men, and we were in a room together, you would be either the quiet guy, or the one going along with everyone else. Quit putting people down just because you’re scared of the truth. ”
First, you obviously don’t know me, so stop pretending you do. Second, I don’t think you would know the truth if it bit you on the ass that you have your head stuck firmly up. Please don’t confuse your wild, illogical fantasies with the truth — it’s a sign of mental illness.
“In it the last member of the jury who refuses to change his mind even when faced with enough overwhelming circumstantial evidence to convince his peers, refuses to listen to the reasoned arguments of others, just like you are doing here.”
Yeah, it’s just like that… except instead of “reasoned arguments, substitute “illogical, unproved, ignorant, half-baked fantasies.” Sorry if my intolerant language offends, but I think Truthers, Holocaust deniers, and the like are worthy of noble derision.
By the way, I notice that the intolerant language of the Truthbots doesn’t offend you so much. Hmmmmm. Wonder why that is?
Bender Bendy McBenderson,
Truthers and holocausts deniers have nothing in common. So stop using fallacies and comparing the two. You assume because both have some “wild ideas” that they are related? It’s not that easy, man. Sorry.
I agree with you, holocaust deniers are gravely mistaken, and flat out wrong. I’ll probably go as far as to call them crazy, possibly. And I’m not saying that 9/11 is a HUGE COVER UP and super secret members of the CIA crashed those planes in the building and the twin towers were imploded. I don’t know any of that. I am not a scientist or a physicist. If I had to choose, I might say they were imploded, but I don’t like to focus on physical evidence with that. It just gets people all riled up. All I am implying (and there is plenty of valid, plausible information) is that our government knew the attacks would happen. We simply had prior knowledge and did nothing about it. And when I say we, I don’t mean the government as a whole, I am mainly speaking of the Bush administration. Look at all they have gained since the war began? This country is completely run on fear, and for the most part, the masses don’t question constitutional violations like the Patriot Act and Homeland Security. I believe they knew it was going to happen, and since war is one of the most profitable things for any country, used 9/11 as a pretext to go to war in the middle east. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, when the hijackers on the planes were Saudi, for christ’s sake. But we won’t touch Saudi Arabia, that’s where the oil interests are.
You’re right Bender, I don’t know you, but I can only assume the kind of person you are, when you have true americans on this post actually questioning the actions of our government (whether they are true or not, right or wrong) and you get mad and call them crazy, tin-foil hat wearers. It’s not whether they’re right or not, it’s the simple action of question the government. And don’t take that out of context, I don’t mean question them and be a disobedient, spoiled little bitch, I just mean, and the founding fathers would agree: Never forget your liberties and question, with boldness, everything… Bender, I just hope for your sake, you don’t consider what you are doing patriotism.
“We simply had prior knowledge and did nothing about it. And when I say we, I don’t mean the government as a whole, I am mainly speaking of the Bush administration.”
Of course you are. It’s not like a Truther would ever claim that Bill Clinton knew about the first WTC attack in 1993 and did nothing about it, would they? Well… thanks again for all that evidence.
Also, you might want to check your comments on this page before you grandly profess that all you are implying is that Bush knew an attack was coming. You yourself ONE SENTENCE EARLIER said that you’d bet on an implosion.
“We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, when the hijackers on the planes were Saudi, for christ’s sake. But we won’t touch Saudi Arabia, that’s where the oil interests are.”
Well, that’s, uhhhhh, not the brightest statement I’ve ever read (I’m being nice now). OK, from the top, one time: The US attacked Afghanistan because the ruling Taliban was the puppet of Al Qaeda, who attacked NYC on 9/11. Everybody was on board with that one, remember? The US attacked Iraq 18 months later NOT because we held Saddam responsible in any way for 9/11, but because of the dozen or so UN Disarmament Resolutions that Saddam had steadfastly violated, and because after the attacks of 9/11, the US wasn’t prepared to trust Middle east dictators who had a) sworn to attack the US and its allies and interests and b) histories of violent attacks with chemical weapons.
As to why the US didn’t attack Saudi Arabia, who would we have attacked??? It’s not like you can say, “Most of the 9/11 pilots were Saudis! Load up the nukes, fly to Riyadh, and make the desert into glass!” Other hijackers were from Egypt and the UAE. Should the US have overthrown those countries, too? Hell, some Al Qaeda terrorists are from California and Florida. Well, maybe US troops SHOULD invade California and Florida…
Look, the US attacked Al Qaeda (which perpetrated the murder of 3000 innocent civilians) and the Afghan government that harbored and sponsored that group. The Saudi royals have been at least tepid allies against Islamic terrorism for 15 years, so they fit neither category explicitly (although I’m wary about the House Of Saud myself). And some day some Truther will have to explain how not attacking the Saudis after 9/11 is evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, rather than just proof of a pragmatic policy towards big oil providers. Don’t suppose I’ll ever get that answer…
“It’s not whether they’re right or not, it’s the simple action of question the government.”
Since when is “9/11 was an inside job” or “the buildings were imploded” or “fire doesn’t melt steel” questions? I don’t see a question mark anywhere.
I see loose Changers and truthers as pathetic attention-seekers who desperately want people to believe that they are the only ones clever enough to know The Truth.
And yes, it is about whether you are right or not. It’s ALWAYS about whether you are right or not…UNLESS you are just in it for the personal attention. In that case, you don’t care if you are right or wrong, because the truth is not your concern. Attention is. Then, you’re just like those horrible singers who want to get on American Idol to make fools of themself. Hey, it gets you on TV!
“Truthers and holocausts deniers have nothing in common.”
Well, yeah, except for the part where they are often the same people. DO YOUR RESEARCH! FOLLOW THE MON — errrrr, FOLLOW THE ANTI-SEMITES!
Ockham’s razor people. The simplest theory is the most likely to have occured.
A conspiracy would require the best-kept secrecy, and involve the compliance of millions of government workers, officials, and leaders; to not have one of these people “come out” with the real facts is… hmm… impossible? Yeah, I think that’s the word I was looking for.
People are bound to uncover “secrets”, if they are actual secrets.
Someone posted a declaration, that Nelson giving his opinion of what he thought when he saw WTC 7 fall (when no plane had struck it) should spur a boycott of “everything Willie”.
I cannot begin to portray how little of a shit Willie Nelson gives, as to some threatened boycott of his music, etc. However, I shall try.
I can assure you that Willie doesn’t give a flying fistuloid *&$@ what any such shred of useless, asinine human debris thinks about his opinion of WTC 7.
You could probably compare Willie’s concern, with such a threat, into a mustard seed, rattle it around, and it would sound like a $*&%ing BB in a Boxcar.
He simply does not care one whit, what people who have closed and hateful minds think of his opinions, which is EXACTLY what makes Willie Nelson the person he is.
I think it hilarious that one such as that, would believe such a display of intellectual vapidity would matter a single scintilla of a #$%* to a person as honest as Willie Nelson. He needs your business sir, about as much as he’d want a hemroid transplant.
“Nelson giving his opinion of what he thought when he saw WTC 7 fall (when no plane had struck it)”
Yeah, no plane hit WTC7, which means that all it experienced was several tons of debris hitting it. Oh, and a fire that went unfought for SEVEN HOURS. And diesel tanks in the building that likely caught fire.
But I’m sure what makes more sense to you and Dr. Willie Nelson (PhD Physics, Bonghit University) is that Dick Cheney just forgot to hit the DESTRUCT button on WTC7 until that afternoon. Then he was like, “Awww, shit! WTC7!!” and hit the button to implode that building that no one had ever heard of, just to make sure that the media covered the 9/11 “attacks.”
I unofficially declare this post and its subsequent comment section to be closed and finished with Bender Bending Rodriguez the rightful winner.
How did Bender win by ignoring the Pakistan/ISI question for dozens of posts?
I only ignored it because no one suggested any way it was relevant to the “implosion” theory. Feel free to make the full case and I’ll shoot it down, but I don’t feel like chasing some Truther’s red herrings.
rodrequez said “Yeah, it’s just like that… except instead of “reasoned arguments, substitute “illogical, unproved, ignorant, half-baked fantasies.” Sorry if my intolerant language offends, but I think Truthers, Holocaust deniers, and the like are worthy of noble derision.
By the way, I notice that the intolerant language of the Truthbots doesn’t offend you so much. Hmmmmm. Wonder why that is?”
Dont be sorry bender, your language does’nt offend me, it’s just my observation that the language you use is far more personal and derogatory than that used by the opposing view holders ‘truthbots’ i believe you like to call them. I think that is a widely held view that hurling insults is the last resort of the desperate and not a very effective way of winning an argument. Even if your point is a valid one you may find that it is only the misguided and foolish who will ally themselves with you.
oh by the way, id drop the holocaust denier reference if i were you, that really does weaken your case as it is not a valid comparison and you might come across as misinformed or worst still, ignorant. And i don’t think you would want to be derided as an ignoble fool would you?
Some arguments with some people are worth having. Others, while universally important and insanely frustrating, must be acknowledged as futile once the steadfast, stubbornness of one side or the other is realized. In this instance, Bender shall not be swayed by any amount of arguing. Citing facts, deductive analysis or circumstantial relations that at least point to suspicion is no use. The truth exists, pointing to the unlikeliness of an event or the difficulty its subsequent cover-up would pose is not proof of it not happening. Similarly, weighing unexplained and ignored happenings of or around 9/11 might point one way for some and another for others. Debates in these forums are not likely to convert one way or another.
Although Bender, I must point out, your use of the term “red herring” is inappropriate. Or at least it seems so. As I understand it, a red herring is used to distract someone from something more important or at least something the user (of the red herring) doesn’t want you to notice. If that’s the case, I’m not certain what the loose changers/truthers are attempting to distract you from.
Oh, and with regard to WTC 7, it is strange that Larry Silverstein, in a televised interview that you can find easily if you look for it, stated that at that point in the day, on 9/11, so much loss of life had transpired that it made sense to “pull” tower seven. I’m not sure if pull is a technical term for anything so to speak, but it surely points to some action being taken regarding the building. And if it does in fact mean bring down, then that would consequently require the placement of explosives throughout the building, which I doubt could have been done the day of. But maybe all the WTC buildings were built wired with explosives just in case the situation ever called for “pulling” them.
Now that, my dear bender, is a reasoned argument. Im not saying he/she is right (other than the red herring point, they kinda nailed you there) or that i believe them, but i would take what they say more seriously than i would take your posts.
Whoa if I didn’t know any better I’d think you guys were actually still arguing about whether or not Bush blew up the Twin Towers or something.
Scholars go through a lot of material to put their thesis and ideas together. Taking one form of media (TV News) as you only source is like having believing in something a friend heard from a friend who heard from a friend, etc. That’s how TV News usually operates. Local affiliates pick up stories from national networks. Those networks get stories from field reporters. Reporters get stories from people who claim to have the inside information.
I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the Bush Admin was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy. I base this from many many issues: the Valerie Plain incident, the way Iraq panned out and how quickly the government and media brushed off the ‘man in charge’ of the 9/11 attack. People don’t need to see a documentary to get the feeling that they’ve been cheated by their government. Eisenhower said, “I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.”
I’m not telling anyone what to think and no one has to read this. So please don’t feel attacked and needing to respond angrily. Everyone bored enough at work to comment here is only out for the truth, and we all have that in common.
“it is strange that Larry Silverstein… stated that at that point in the day, on 9/11, so much loss of life had transpired that it made sense to “pull” tower seven.”
Silverstein himself has said that by “pull” he meant pull the responder crews away from the area. Funny how you didn’t mention that.
“Pull” is not even a term used by demolition crews for imploding a building, although it might refer to the technique of actually using cables to pull down a building lost to fire.
Even if yours were an accurate interpretation of events, it wouldn’t add any impetus to the “9/11 Inside Job” theory, of course. If the building was damaged by debris and fire from WTC1 and 2, and the owner decided that the building needed to be torn down on the spot, that would be his decision (but in reality, it would probably require so many signoffs by so many city officials that there’s no way it could’ve been done 7 hours after the attacks).
Regarding demolition, it takes weeks to stage such an event, and nothing could have been done with WTC7 on fire in numerous locations. To suggest that the building was built with explosives already in it is deranged. No engineering firm on the planet would ever get within 1000 miles of such a project.
“Now that, my dear bender, is a reasoned argument.”
Heh, I’m sure YOU thought so. COUGH(Truther!)COUGH!
And…”A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to “win” an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic.” Like cryptically mentioning the Pakistani ISI without any accompanying argument when we’re discussing the 9/11 implosion theories.
“I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the Bush Admin was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy. I base this from many many issues: the Valerie Plain incident, the way Iraq panned out and how quickly the government and media brushed off the ‘man in charge’ of the 9/11 attack.”
That’s very weak, and as I said before, I think it’s sad that some people hate Bush so much that they think he must’ve had something to do with 9/11, just as it was sad that some people hated Clinton so much that they pinned every possible evil on him.
I will say that how Iraq panned out (as if it’s over?) should be held as an argument AGAINST Bush’s involvement in 9/11. I mean, if the handling of post-Saddam Iraq displayed incompetence of the highest order, an enterprise like 9/11 was the total opposite.
Every nutjob conspiracy theory was shredded to pieces by a Popular Mechanics piece a few years ago. What a surprise — Willie Nelson and the bonghitters aren’t exactly physics pros!
the laws of physics are absolute, and anyone with an eith grade education knows the speed of gravity and every action yields an equal and opposite reaction.
Therefore physics debunks popular mechanics debunk,and the official “pancake theory”
Had the collapse been due to the weight pancaking in a chain reaction the collapse wouldve taken approximately 40 seconds per twin tower not the speed of gravity aproximate 10 sencond collapse that close to 6 billion people worldwide have seen.
There was all sorts of insider stock trading related to 9 11 , why hasnt that been investigated?
we have physics professor and”rocket scientist” Brigham Young physics professor hed be happy to debunk any preconceived notion that the U.S. government would never do anything to hurt the American people.
http://torrentchannel.com/BYU_Professor_Steven_Jones
Robert M. Bowman (born 1934) was a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions. He holds a Ph.D. in Aeronautics from the California Institute of Technology.
Bowman, the father of Robert M Bowman Jr, is the founder and Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, an “independent Catholic fellowship” created in 1996 and held to be connected through apostolic succession to the Old Catholic Church.[1] Additionally, he is Executive Director of Christian Support Ministries.[2] He also believes the US government was complicit in the September 11, 2001 attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Bowman
http://www.benfrank.net/blog/2005/09/18/treason/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thm-Kusrmcw
and before you go touting popular mechanics”debunk” again take a close look at who wrote it.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm
Why is the comments section of this story still so active 3 weeks after the story was first posted? Is this being considered the battleground for the definitive indiemusic lover’s opinion of what happened on 9/11?
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Look at the former military/cia/government officals who ALL have questions. WAKE UP!
I have read several comments regarding a missile hitting the Pentagon. That’s all fine and dandy but doesn’t explain the one serious question and that is: If a guided missile hit the Pentagon and not an airplane than where are the fucking passengers who were suppose to be on the accused airplane? When two people cannot hold a secret, do you expect rational people to believe all passengers on the alleged Pentagon plane or involved in this so-called cover-up as well??? I think you people should lay off the pot and get real!!! Maybe UFO’s did it. Get real.
For a 3 mega pixel camera, the processor has to make 9 million calculations,
Rodriguez knows what up. You guys make me sad that you just think we’re so awful that we would do this to ourselves