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May 26, 2005

America's Sweetheart

I don't watch American Idol (shocker!) but I assume some of you do, so here's your forum.

Reader Ed writes in...

Did you see the American Idol pre-show on E! ... Courtney Love was on the red carpet with Frances Bean.

They both said they wanted Bo to win and Courtney said something like "I'm more into indie rock ... the rocker should always win."

Frances admitted to being a big fan of the show and also said she plays guitar and Courtney implied she didn't trust a girl who doesn't play guitar.

Yes the Kurt resemblance is there.

As for the new Idol .... Carrie edged out Bo, without sleeping with Paula Abdul.

Previously: St. Patrick's Day With Courtney Love

Posted at 12:46 PM
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Um, why does frances wear something so low cut? She's 12 years old fer christ's sake.

At getty images (search courtney love) frances and her slut mother are leaning over and courtney's huge ones practically fall out, and her daughter's smaller ones practically fall out as well.

Sheesh.

My mother would have killed me if I wore something like that at 12.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree I see.

Posted by: oh brother at 05/26/05 2:09 PM | Reply
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god, frances looks a hell of a lot like her father.

Posted by: holmes at 05/26/05 2:11 PM | Reply
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"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree I see."

Oh come on, that's just nasty.

Posted by: N at 05/26/05 2:13 PM | Reply
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I was thinking the same thing, Holmes. Kinda sad though, I already assume that she's a little bit insane just based on the fact that Courtney Love is her mom.

Posted by: Irish Mike at 05/26/05 2:14 PM | Reply
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It's crazy how much she looks like Kurt. That is such a Kurt smile. And she has his eyes. It's freaky that I can remember her being born...

I don't think her dress is bad at all. Here's praying she don't fall apart (The Bean, that is).

Posted by: pageblank at 05/26/05 2:21 PM | Reply
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i think frances is just beautiful. that kurt peeking through her eyes...i didn't even look at the shirts/boobs. i have a 14YO and a 10YO (yeah, i'm prolly fucking older than all of you, so what) and seeing this picture of mom and daughter made me feel happy. it's nice to see them out together.

maybe frances will turn out to be courtney's saving grace.

Posted by: melina at 05/26/05 2:32 PM | Reply
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This poor kid has a better chance being raised by a pair of racoons. The media will never leave her alone...even if she doenst become a "rock star".

Posted by: bb at 05/26/05 2:36 PM | Reply
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she has a better chance being raised by a racoon's balls.

Posted by: Irish Mike at 05/26/05 2:38 PM | Reply
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I got the goosebumps when I saw Frances' face. She looked so much like her daddy when she was an infant, but I had not seen any recent photos. Almost spooky. She looks wonderful and is appropriately dressed for her age.

Posted by: Blah at 05/26/05 2:38 PM | Reply
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Frances looks adorable. It saddens me how people attack a 12 year old, and totally prejudge her because of her mom. That kid has been through so much, i'm totally pulling for her.

Posted by: BAM! at 05/26/05 2:40 PM | Reply
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Wow Courtney...just when I thought you couldn't look any worse you go and put on about 30 pounds in 6 mos...way to go. Between that and the god-awful plastic surgery, you're smokin hot!

"I need a bucket"

Posted by: mandy at 05/26/05 2:43 PM | Reply
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Melina, you maybe older than all of us but your comment is completely adolescent. Children weren't put on the planet to save adults.

Posted by: sarah at 05/26/05 3:06 PM | Reply
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i think she's beautiful, and from what i understand she's been mostly raised by her grandparents. i have faith she'll be ok.

look at what her parents have been through, the only way is up.

Posted by: go pistons at 05/26/05 3:20 PM | Reply
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"Wow Courtney...just when I thought you couldn't look any worse you go and put on about 30 pounds in 6 mos..."

Christ, so what. No wonder people become anorexic.

Besides, it probably means she's off drugs.

Posted by: N at 05/26/05 3:24 PM | Reply
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More Courtney/Idol goodness at CityRag:

http://cityrag.blogs.com/main/2005/week21/index.html#a0004882913

Posted by: stereogum at 05/26/05 3:47 PM | Reply
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i stumbled onto the E - american idol preshow (i was looking for the jimmy kimmel/michael jackson trial re-enactment)

but they talked to Frances (with Courtney) on the red carpet, she seemed very together, very normal ...

Posted by: Ed at 05/26/05 3:48 PM | Reply
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I think frances has courtney's OLD nose? And she has her father's chin.

Posted by: wend at 05/26/05 4:14 PM | Reply
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let me clarify, if i may...i meant that sometimes having children, even if you've been a little off the goal for a while like courtney has been...have a way of keeping you focused or giving you a reason to keep going and not totally crash and burn.

i didn't mean frances, at 12, will "save" her mom...just that she's here hopefully to remind her mom that's she's a mom first, rock star second, so to speak.

and, i am pretty much still an adolescent come to think of it.

Posted by: melina at 05/26/05 4:23 PM | Reply
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There was an AI red carpet pre show!? I really don't get the whole American Idol thing.

I saw that they are taping AI season 5.

I wonder if Courtney is going to be one of the celeb judges I would watch her and Simon go at it!

Posted by: Grimmone at 05/26/05 4:38 PM | Reply
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Courtney would be great at being a judge ... she was on Stern this year and was critiquing some stripper who had recorded a song ... her advice was very practical and knowledgable ... and she wouldnt be any worse than Paula

Posted by: Ed at 05/26/05 4:53 PM | Reply
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yeah, i think frances bean looks appropriate and cute--and obviously the wheels of career are already turning--did you guys see her quote re: bo bice on mtv.com?--

"I'm rooting for Bo. I like his style, I like his vibe and I like that he rocks," Frances Bean Cobain, daughter of late Nirvana singer Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love, said outside the Kodak Theatre with her mother at her side.

"I've never watched it," Love said. "The word 'mainstream' comes to mind."

somehow i think this is totally cute--and makes the idea of her and Courtney together seem kind of good and cool after all--

what do i know, i'm a sucker for these things--

Posted by: thursday at 05/26/05 4:56 PM | Reply
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She looks like both of her parents. stunning girl & there is nothing wrong with the way she is dressed

Posted by: MissNee at 05/26/05 5:57 PM | Reply
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kurts' daughter is soo beautiful. she also looks really nice. i know that's hard to tell in photographs, but she looks like a sweet girl

Posted by: paige at 05/26/05 6:17 PM | Reply
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I don't think things are hopeless for Frances. Look at all the people who grow up to be well-adjusted and "normal" despite their crazy, abusive parents. Sure, Frances may have some problematic mental health genes, but she's probably also got some of Kurt's talent and Courtney's ferocious intelligence (Courtney may be fucking insane, but she's also really smart).

Posted by: Amy at 05/26/05 7:22 PM | Reply
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wow - frances looks more like 17 than 12. i wonder how much of that has to do with the fact that she's prolly had to grow up very quick. i hope she gets to enjoy her youth.

Posted by: julie at 05/26/05 7:51 PM | Reply
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duhhhhh.

francis looks just like COURTNEY pre-plastic surgery... hasn't anyone seen the teen courtney pick on back of the Live Through This album? Or even Pretty On The Inside cover shot. You can see it...
check it fools.

Posted by: awesome at 05/26/05 8:06 PM | Reply
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I hope she gets a job as a school teacher or something. Something normal and boring, nothing in the spotlight. I hope she has a happy normal life.

Posted by: AA at 05/26/05 8:25 PM | Reply
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From the 'Stereogum Missed The Headline' Department:

"Pork and Bean Served at American Idol Party"

Posted by: Van_Kamps at 05/26/05 8:36 PM | Reply
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hey scott, anything going on in NYC this weekend? I might be in town.

Posted by: Leo at 05/26/05 10:29 PM | Reply
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You'd better not miss this future headline, which is to be atop the story about Frances' first CD release:

"Bean: The Musical Fruit of Kurt's Loins"

Posted by: 1.2 Jiggawatts at 05/26/05 11:02 PM | Reply
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Frances Bean has the most strikingly beautiful eyes.... I noticed this when she was a baby.

Posted by: ruxquiero at 05/26/05 11:14 PM | Reply
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okay courtney and kurt were abusive TO THEMSELVES, NEVER TO FRANCES. stop judging courtney and how dare anyone judge frances!? she looks great and so does courtney and i am so tired of people taking cheap shots at courtney. and NO ONE has the right to pass judgement on frances. thats it.

Posted by: awwwwwwwwwshit at 05/26/05 11:54 PM | Reply
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Frances is adorable and well adjusted considering that she has Courtney as a mother.

Posted by: Kris at 05/27/05 12:09 AM | Reply
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Fraces does look older than 12. Regardless, she looks sweet and I too hope she has a nice, quiet, happy life.

Also, where can I find "La Tortura" by Shakira? Someone, please, let me know. Thanks.

Posted by: Mar at 05/27/05 12:20 AM | Reply
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duh--they live in la. teenaged girls in la, especially pretty ones with money, have lots of encouragement and pressure to look and behave a lot older than they are. i think she looks perfectly fine and cute for 12 year old--especially one in la.

Posted by: thursday at 05/27/05 12:58 AM | Reply
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You always hear about those weird ebay auctions, like the Virgin Mary on grilled cheese and tattoo space on someone's breasts- here's a new one. I feel kinda bad for this girl, she's cute. Here's the link, check it out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1467&item=5585197003&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Posted by: Jeff at 05/27/05 3:20 AM | Reply
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just click on my name to check that auction out. it's quicker.

Posted by: Jeff at 05/27/05 3:21 AM | Reply
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glad to hear you don't watch AI..I was beginning to wonder about ya...

Posted by: Ninja at 05/27/05 12:04 PM | Reply
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At least we know she isn't Billy Corgan's love child.

Posted by: zach at 05/27/05 3:08 PM | Reply
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And I'm fairly sure that Courtney doesn't have Custody of Frances Bean right now. I agree with whomever said she's being raised by her Grandparents...Her Grandmother in Fact, Kurt's Mother. Maybe she'll write some good music someday - as some songs Cobain wrote had to do with disliking his mother. Well at least most of the songs on Bleach...then it switched over to Tobi Vail for Nevermind then onto Heroin for In Utero...Either way there's always need for another musician as talented as Cobain.

Posted by: zach at 05/27/05 3:13 PM | Reply
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Francis, you're a doll! What a beautiful young girl she's turned out to be, despite all the "stuff" she's had to deal with so early in life. I'm sure she has no memory of a lot of that, and that's a blessing! But, it does look like Courtney's cleaned up a bit - maybe she's on the right path to becoming a real mother to her little girl!

Posted by: D at 05/27/05 3:32 PM | Reply
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I think you might have worn something like that when you were 12 if you were going to events like that.
but since you weren't, you didn't.

Posted by: P_U at 05/27/05 4:44 PM | Reply
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Good lord, how old are you people? Better question: how out of touch are you people? That shirt/dress/whatever is perfectly acceptable.

Posted by: michelle at 05/27/05 5:45 PM | Reply
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I'm assuming Courtney put on weight because she's off of drugs.

chubby + clean ?

skinny + cracked out?

I'd say numero uno is a better choice.

Get a grip.

And Frances is gorgeous.

Posted by: J at 05/28/05 11:47 AM | Reply
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COURTNEY KILLED KURT COBAIN.
what is wrong with you people, how can you possibly defend her? that disgusting woman killed her daughter's father. shame on all of you, courtney love should rot in hell. she doesn't deserve to live. frances bean is beautiful, she doesn't deserve to have such a horrible mother.

Posted by: erica at 05/29/05 2:30 PM | Reply
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apparently frances is a typical 12 yr old kid. i've read that she's an accomplished equestrian and really smart and interested in academics.

Posted by: ellen at 05/29/05 9:20 PM | Reply
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I'm amazed at how some of you are so incredibly judgemental. Everyone (yes everyone) has made a mistake or two in their lives, but the idea behind being a good human being, is to not kick someone when they're down, or when they're trying to clean up their act. She may or may not succeed in doing so, but she should be encouraged to keep trying without continually being stigmatized by her past. It can't be helpful to Frances to read what mean and spiteful things are being said of her mother. People, get a life! stop putting down other people so your life can seem a bit better, it's pathetic!

Posted by: rosana at 05/31/05 12:35 PM | Reply
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This is to rosana. Courtney has been a drug addict as long as I can remember. Her daughter is beautiful, I am sure that courtney didn't have much to do with it. If courtney doesn't want anyone to be in her business, then keep it quiet.
I personally don't have to down courtney, she has done it for years all by herself. There are plenty of people out there that will state what they feel, and I don't blame them at all. I know that I have a wonderful life, unlike hers. Now her life is pathetic. Sad to say. Be good frances. Money isn't everything.

Posted by: maria at 05/31/05 12:53 PM | Reply
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Some of you people need to stop judging. Courtney has had problems in the past yes, but people can change if they truly want to! The life of an addict is very different that the life of a non addict. So they are prone to strange behavior. Recovery from addiction is an ongoing process with a series of changes. Some people never recover and others work their program the best they can each day. But remember NO ONE IS PERFECT.People make mistakes. And as for Kurt NO ONE killed him, HE MADE THAT CHOICE HIMSELF!! It was his selfish choice to take his own life and leave his beautiful daughter without her daddy. And yes she is a beautiful girl she was a beautiful baby too.She looks alot like her dad. Hopefully she can learn from her mom and dad's mistakes and become successful in her own right at whatever she chooses to do with her life.

Posted by: just passin thru at 05/31/05 12:55 PM | Reply
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First I'd like to say that whatever Courtney Love has been thru in her life is not for us to judge. After all, she has had an upbringing that we do not know much about. She will one day understand all that has happened in her life and why. Secondly; all children who are raised within the show bussiness have turned out in the way most of us have already gone thru in our own life. Don't be a hippocrite! We all have things to go thru in this life and there is a reason for it. As far as Frances low cut dress, that is quite typical for kids her age in this day. And that is just something she will learn of as she grows older. Further more, you couldn't be farther from the truth if you think that these kid's won't be the ones to save their parents. There are alot of things in this world God did not intend for. Yet these kids are the one's who are being pushed aside by their parent's, as their parent's are too caught up in their own life that they are not there to give these kids direction in life. So YES I do believe God will use these kids in saving their parent's, seems how the parent's cannot save themselves. Watch and See. Where a parent leaves off with their child, God will be there to pick them up! I don't know much about Courtney Love, other then the fact that she is wild. And that is just the kind of person God is going to transform. She will be a witness to all. I have respect for her reguardless. Those of whom knock others down are the one's who need God most. Get right with your own character before you start dissin someone else's. Using God's name in vane show's already the kind of person you are. And that's no better then what you have to say about other's. In fact; I'd even go as far as saying that you are talking about yourself, rather then Courtney Love! Is it pride or jeliousy or both! You best go check yo-self.

Posted by: Vickie Sue at 05/31/05 1:09 PM | Reply
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Hey courtny? hook me up. future dude who will hopefully get a record deal by the name of Adversity.

Posted by: Mike at 05/31/05 1:55 PM | Reply
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I live in Los Angeles. At a local place, I recently sat a few tables over from where Courtney Love was sitting. Out of respect to her privacy, I will not say where, but it WAS a very normal place with a very normal, nice enviorment.....and not one camera chasing her around. And, guess what people....she was a very pleasant person. She was very sweet to the people she held a conversation with, and they, in turn, were being very nice to her. She carried herself very well....and physically, she looked better than I had ever seen her look. The general public only sees what the "media" wants you to see........which, of course, is always a picture or two of a celeb "at their worst moments"....why?....because that's what sells magazines, and ignites conversationssmall talk, etc. But one thing that should always be taken into consideration, is that we are ALL human beings. We make mistakes. We have our bad moments. If the camera were on any of us 24/7, I'm sure there would be thousands of people with strong opinions about some of the things we've done, and how we should live our lives as well. Behind all the photos, articles, and yes....some of the things she's done that maybe she's not too proud of........there stands a human being......a woman that K. Cobain once fell in love with. She's a mother raising a daughter in a crazyass world. As far as Frances, she looks great......and I'm sure she doesn't like reading all these potshots that people are taking at her mom. Yes, I know her mom has put herself in a position where people can take these shots at her......but does that mean YOU have to be disrespectful enough to say/write them? Think about it.

Posted by: Rick at 05/31/05 2:06 PM | Reply
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Okay, there is something wrong with the way she is dressed. The top is too low. 12 year olds or at least my twelve year old would never wear a top that says "hey look I might have a little clevage" 12 is pre teen you have to be careful with these images we say are okay for women to little girls. Its like saying "here grab the eye liner and the red hot lip stick " you guys realize she only in the 6th or 7th grade? Think about this with all the pervs out there do we really want to dress up our 12 year olds like 17 18 year olds? Someone is looking at her and they dont see twevle and I'm not talking crazy rapist either I'm talking the average guy who see a young woman not an elementary school student

Posted by: KrazyTimes at 05/31/05 2:08 PM | Reply
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WOW i think she looks ok but her shirt is a little LOW CUT but i mean its not like it shoes alot besides im sure she didnt wear to have people drop down on her she prolly found it on sale thinking " hey this is cute let me wear it to something fancy" i mean for the lvoe of god shes 12! so i think u guys need to stop raggin on her!

Posted by: Amanda at 05/31/05 3:54 PM | Reply
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WOW i think she looks ok but her shirt is a little LOW CUT but i mean its not like it shows alot besides im sure she didnt wear to have people drop down on her she prolly found it on sale rack thinking " hey this is cute let me wear it to something fancy" i mean for the love of god shes 12! so i think u guys need to stop raggin on her!

Posted by: Amanda at 05/31/05 3:55 PM | Reply
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My name is kyle Cicone im from maryland iv been listening to nirvana since i was 2 and i never have seen a pic of frances i have to say she is a Bomb shell im 14 years old if i could have one wish it would be to ask frances if she wanted to go out with me I would give her the moon if i could i say way to go Kurt you have a beautiful duaghter

Posted by: Marry me at 05/31/05 4:07 PM | Reply
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with every one judging her i think what it realy comes down to is courtney Love is on drugs i guess from what i hear but it looks to me that she was a good mother and kiped it away from frances

Posted by: Marry me at 05/31/05 4:10 PM | Reply
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All I have to say is don't judge a person until you've walked a mile in her shoes. And do your homework before you state facts. Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love had planned a double suicide and Courtney backed out because of her daughter. She did not kill Kurt, he killed himself. Give this poor girl, Frances, a chance before you prejudge her. I totally agree with Rick that if somebody followed you around 24/7 I'm sure we would find some mistakes that we could post in magazines for everyone to read for their entertainment because their life is so dull they get off on other people's problems. But I'm sure everyone who prejudged Courtney is perfect and if only we could all be as perfect as you, the world would be a better place, right? Why don't you worry about cleaning up your own backyard before you go sh@#*ing in someone else's.

Posted by: brandi at 05/31/05 4:20 PM | Reply
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first of all i dont know what u think you all know but they did not plan a double suicide she wasnt even home and he tried to call the hotel she was at and couldnt get through because he forgot the code word and they found him 2 days later in the solarium and no one knows anything about his daughter she could be a really nice well rounded young lady and ya it hurts to lose your father but she was a baby she might not even be that effected by it

Posted by: breezy at 05/31/05 4:40 PM | Reply
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omg i fuckn hate courtny.... i feel so bad for francis

Posted by: Susan at 05/31/05 5:05 PM | Reply
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Wow, she looks like Kurt alot. I remember when I met Kurt when I was just around the age of 14ish. I made him sign my guitar. I cherish that guitar and have it in a glass case in my room. Honestly, the only reason why I don't really like Courtney, is because she was the reason on why Kurt committed suicide. Other than that, I kind of think Courtney is a semi-good person. Frances is a very pretty 12 year old, and I don't think anything is wrong with her dress. I think it's a nice dress and it goes good on her body. I have a 5 year old little girl and she dresses just like that. My little girl wears anything that she likes, and I don't mind at all. Sure, I mind sometimes the small skirts, because then thats just slutty. Other than that, A-OKAY!. <3

Posted by: Areyah at 05/31/05 6:07 PM | Reply
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My name is Jessi and have been listening to nirvana since i was 4. KurDt cobain is a genius. and i am thinking as i read these messages, wow, you people need to know that Frances is a beautiful, young, inspiring little girl because she has gone through SUCH hard times and still manages to keep a simple smile on her face. and to hear all of these harsh messages just blows me away and makes me wonder, you know, what if you saw all these hateful things written about YOUR mom, huh??? i dont know about you but i would be heart broken. im also pretty sure we all know Mom's act different around their children than other adults right? so how can we judge courtney as a mom when we dont even know??? thats my question...email me about you agreements/disagreements

Posted by: Jessay at 05/31/05 6:48 PM | Reply
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click my name to email me...i think thats how it works, not sure, jsut incase my email is
hangloose517@aol.com

Posted by: Jessay at 05/31/05 6:52 PM | Reply
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Crack head for ever i mean they have issues and the need to be touch

Posted by: prettywoman2k at 05/31/05 10:17 PM | Reply
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i actually dont think that u all would like it if some1 actually insulted ur mom on the internet. frances is a very pretty girl for being 12 yrs old. she looks very happy with her mom in the picture despite all the things that have happened in the past about courtney. that was kurts own choice 2 kill himself courtney did not kill him like erica previously said. frances may not rememeber her dad at all but hes gotta mean something 2 her even though hes gone. if ur gonna make fun of some1 else whom u dont even know in person u should listen 2 urself or even look at urself in the mirror for quite a while. if ur blonde and act like a ditz and think ur hott-n-popular well heres the truth those girls dont act as good as they look. i honestly think courtney is a very pretty woman and y'all r just jealous!

Posted by: y'all r stupid at 05/31/05 11:24 PM | Reply
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u rock my world courtney!!!

Posted by: so wat at 05/31/05 11:51 PM | Reply
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LEAVE THE POOR GIRL ALONE!!!!!!!

Posted by: A GREAT FAN OF HER FATHERS at 06/01/05 2:28 AM | Reply
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I think you should all be glad that Frances has grown up with at least 1 parent, and support Courtney raising her beautiful daughter the best she can. no-one is perfect, and the last thing Courtney needs is a bunch of strangers criticising her when she's trying so hard to recover. i'd like to see you lot do any better.

Posted by: Me at 06/01/05 11:12 AM | Reply
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I am 14 years old, and i don't know much about courtny except that she was a real bad drug user and that she was married to a totally hot and talented singer. But i do have to say Courtny has come a long way, and Frances has grown up. Oh, and let me coment to all those people who say her shirt is "to low cut" when i was twelve i would wear shirts just like that. And not because i wanted guys staring at me but because it was totally cute.So my last words are keep being yourself Frances, I'm totally behind you!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: A Kurt Fan at 06/01/05 11:48 AM | Reply
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Oh, and so what if cournty has gained some weight she still looks really good and healthy!!!!

Posted by: A Kurt Fan at 06/01/05 11:52 AM | Reply
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TO FRANCIS....I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST AND I WISH YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOUR FATHER BETTER.....HE WAS A TRUE AMERICAN MUSIC ICON.....KURT REST IN PEACE....MY LOVE IS WITH YOU AND FRANCIS ALWAYS......I WILL NEVER FORGET THE IMPACT YOUR MUSIC HAS HAD ON MY LIFE.

Posted by: RYAN at 06/01/05 3:35 PM | Reply
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You rock Ryan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: A Kurt Fan at 06/01/05 3:44 PM | Reply
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YOU TOO MAN....LONG LIVE KURT AND FU*K ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING DIFFERENT AND ALSO WHY EVERYONE IS DISSING ON FRANCIS GIVE THAT GIRL A BREAK.SHE IS THE DAUGHTER OF A LEGEND AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.

Posted by: RYAN at 06/01/05 4:08 PM | Reply
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omg people give them a break they have both been through alot. I say they both look great and most girls her age are wearin much worse. it has nothing to do with her mother, how do we know she dosn't get her style from britney spears or other stars most girls dress like so stop being so mean and judgementle

Posted by: ashley at 06/01/05 4:18 PM | Reply
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Hurray for Frances Bean, blah blah Courntey is sober...blah blah. I just hope she keeps it up, is all I'm saying.

Posted by: Calliwell at 06/01/05 4:37 PM | Reply
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hi um who is kurt cobain isnt that a fruit or something oh yeah i heard he was a Hottie im 13 so whatever i thought courtney killed kurt but whatever

Posted by: Kourtney at 06/01/05 5:54 PM | Reply
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Okay, first of all, NO ONE has the right to judge any celebs. We don't even actually know them! So there are some bad articles about them in the tabloids. That doesn't mean they're a bad person. The tabs caught them at a bad time. We all fuck up sometime. So leave Courtney and Frances the fuck alone.
Secondly, there's nothing wrong with Frances' outfit. The same type of thing I wore at 12 (last year ^^).
And lastly, Courtney Love rocks. If you hate her, oh well. If you think she murdered Kurt, whatever. But if you judge her unfairly due to the stuff she says or does, then fuck you.

Posted by: Ariel at 06/01/05 6:24 PM | Reply
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Oh and Ryan's comments are cool.
R.I.P. Kurt Cobain (fan of Nirvana's music since age 3).

Posted by: Ariel at 06/01/05 6:29 PM | Reply
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i think that frances bean is dressed fine for her age and considoring what she has been through which involves that she is known for her parents. Well her father shot himself when she was little and her mother is always being targeted by the tabloids as being a slut and drug addict....so how would you feel..i think she is okayy

Posted by: a*raay at 06/01/05 8:51 PM | Reply
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She looks good for a 12 yr old. shes got a sweet look instead of a slutty look like her mom. She looks so much like kurt (rip). One thing i would like to say is i hope she doesnt become a rock star. Her Dad changed the world forever. there is enough good influence in rock from her dad. Even more bad influence from her mom. God i think her music suckz. Anyways she isnt dressed slutty.... look around you and you'll see bloody ten yr old wearin the shortest f***ing skirts ive ever seen. and is it me or does courtney look like this whole "look what my daughers wearing" thing just a stupid publicity stunt? Finally Kurt was the most influencial person of his time, and will always be. Hopefully frances will follow in the footsteps of the poetic genious of her father was instead of the druggie/crackwhore her mom is. (my sn is irvinshadow in case anyone would like to disagree)

Posted by: STJimmy at 06/01/05 9:42 PM | Reply
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oo and im not tryin to pick a fight with ariel... but i hate CL... she even threatened to beat frances with a metal closehanger on national tv bc frances said somethin that made courtney look bad.

Posted by: STJimmy at 06/01/05 9:46 PM | Reply
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OMG, anyone that wants to rip on this girl or her mothers needs to shut the hell up!!! no one has been through nearly as much as the poor girl, he dad commiting suicide after being a music legend, and her mom being a drug addict, plus props for quitting to courtney...courtney looks fine, healthy, and happy, plus being totally there for her daughter...no one should be talking about her shirt, what the hell? its a shirt, and i think its cute and that she is a gorgeous girl...its not low, i wear shirts just as low and im the same age!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not because i want people looking down my shirt, but because its really instyle and cute, and she is a perfectly beautiful girl, so leave her alone!! and dont talk about her mom that way either, just because u dont like her music or a crappy reason, doesnt mean you have to rag on her! she is trying her freakin best to raise her daughter without a husband to help her along the way...so dont critizize this people until uve walked a mile in their shoes...frances looks just like kurt, its almost scary, she has a beauty that is so simple, its wonderfull RIP kurt, we will always miss you, you were a great writer, you were genius...you will never be forgotten...and anyone that says that frances shirt is inapropriate is so wrong, she is an awesome, srong, beautiful girl!!!!
RIP kurt, and courtney and frances I LOVE YOU FOR BEING SOO STRONG!
~Em~

Posted by: Emily at 06/02/05 6:43 PM | Reply
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sorry sweeite but the whole hollywood shit means being ridiculed for no reason. people will make fun of everyone for one reason or another. everyone goin into the starlight should know that. (by the way im talkin about courtney not her daughter). well never trust hollywood as said in the new system of a down cd, mezmorize, track #11, lost in hollywood. listen to it. it speaks the truth.

Posted by: STJimmy at 06/02/05 7:22 PM | Reply
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First of all, don't bring System Of A Down into this. Never take their words for truth, and always get a second opinion. Second of all, Courtney isn't all bad. She looks pretty clean and nice in this picture, her daughter resembles Kurt (R.I.P.) too. Like someone once said before, they aren't for us to judge. All I have to say is that I just hope that the death of her father doesn't affect her too badly that causes another tragic end. As for Courtney, there's so much we don't know about her, that it's better if we just left the telling to her. I'm sure one day, she'll come out with something that probably make us view her as a better person.

And yes, Mezmorized is great.

Posted by: Lomein at 06/03/05 6:07 AM | Reply
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...anyone who doesn't know who Kurt Cobain was, or who Courtney Love is, should leave. Please, do us a favor and leave. And if you're going to say something, make it meaningful. --;

Posted by: Lomien at 06/03/05 6:19 AM | Reply
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Kurt: Cute kid. Sorry you're not here with her.

Courtney: Way to go... Keep it up.

Frances: Your family loves you. No one else's opinions matter, most especially those from people that have never met you or your family. Be strong. Best wishes.

Posted by: maui at 06/03/05 9:37 AM | Reply
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Good God does anyone have anything nice to say anymore?! i hate the negtivity like we all and our families havent or had problems before get a life losers!!!

Posted by: shauna at 06/03/05 10:07 AM | Reply
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courtney love had kurt killed but that slag should be killed for destroying a music legend
kurt r.i.p.

Posted by: shobby at 06/03/05 10:13 AM | Reply
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SHES NOT LIKE HIM BUT SHE CAN PRETEND,AND HAVE A HANGOVER.HOPE SHE WILL STAY AWAY FROM KELLY OSBOURNE.

Posted by: miriam at 06/03/05 11:22 AM | Reply
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HEY SHOOBY, PROVE IT,YOU GOT NOTHING.YOU HEAR ME NOTHING!

Posted by: MIRIAM at 06/03/05 11:28 AM | Reply
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the shirt isn't that low cut

Posted by: Allyssa at 06/03/05 2:43 PM | Reply
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Frances is groing up to be a beautiful and intelligent girl, despite her outlandish mother. I've managed to see a few pics of her over the years, from the time she was born until now and honestly, she is a carbon copy replica of her dad. Look at those eyes! If she ever makes music I hope i get to hear it and I hope the industry doesn't destroy her like it did her much-missed dad. If you saw that picture and felt the need to trash a little girl (who is dressed just fine), then you need to get out more and take your head out your butt while you're at it.

Good luck in this life Frances, we're rooting for you!!

Posted by: T-bone at 06/03/05 2:49 PM | Reply
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I think Francis Bean looks great. She is a beautiful girl. you people need to get a life and stop raggin on her. she is just a kid. i am 13 and i have worn tops like that and everyone thinks that it is cute. so leave Francis alone. And to Francis, you look so much like your father and you are beautiful. i hope when you make some music it will be like Kurt's cuz nirvana is the best!. good luck in life and screw all the haters and keep your head up. hopefully we can become friends oneday cuz im only 6 months older than u. new yorkers and peeps from LA mix!

Posted by: Kaveise at 06/03/05 5:11 PM | Reply
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stop makin funn of that gurl she didnt do anithing too u oo jus b/c she courtneys daughter big deal she mite not turn out like herr and her outfit looks cute there is nuthin bad bout it att all its amazing how muchh she looks like her dad shes 12 soo people shut yur mouths shes a cute little girl

Posted by: B =) at 06/03/05 5:12 PM | Reply
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I think she looks very tactful and beautiful.

Posted by: Jackie at 06/03/05 8:04 PM | Reply
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"I don't trust a girl who doesn't play guitar"? Okay, but before you make such a stupid comment -- you should watch the show more closely. Carrie played guitar and so did Bo lol

Posted by: Matt at 06/04/05 12:09 AM | Reply
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frances should not follow the mom or dad she should make her dreams come true! courtney is such a b@#$h a 100% She coul be an actress or in a mini local band

Posted by: slipknot jazzy at 06/04/05 12:18 AM | Reply
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Everybody knows that the whole Cobain suicide crap just fucking sucks. We all miss Kurt and wish we had more Nirvana shit to dig on-thats the bottom line. As for Frances she does'nt deserve all this stupid Courtney/ Kurt crap; for god's sake the poor little girl is her own person and should be able just to be herself. Dont judge her or think that she's gonna be fucked up. She is going to blossom into a beautiful inteligent woman; furthermore she will be a lot stronger because of the things she has had to go through.

Posted by: Travis Hokanson at 06/04/05 4:54 PM | Reply
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everybody should probably leave out the rude comments about Frances. seriously!!! she looks like she is doing very well the way she is...she is a very pretty young girl, she looks healthy. so some of you say that her shirt is a little low cut, i think it looks cute, and for the style these days, how can you say that is bad??? anyways, she looks sooooooo much like her father. im happy she is doing good...and its too bad that kurt cant be with her. rip buddy.

Posted by: alexxxxandra at 06/04/05 8:25 PM | Reply
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I think she looks pretty together for someone who's had such a crazy life. Probably a little spiled...hey, she's probably had more money lavished on her than most of use ever will! I think it's good for the most part tho Courtney has kept her out of the spotlight. The last thing she'll need is to be LisaMaried into a music career... if she's going to become a musician, I hope it is her choice, not a sort of peer pressure.

Posted by: me at 06/05/05 10:58 AM | Reply
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YOU GUYS SUCK DONT BE JEALOUS!!!

Posted by: HOTTIE at 06/05/05 12:14 PM | Reply
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i seriously think that she should have had a better outfit on than the one that she had on,,, i mean, if that was my daughter, i would have had a nicer dress on than the one that France's had on,, no daughter of mine would have looked like that in public,, yes she does look like her father and i think that everyone should let the man rest in peace,, he is probably looking down at his daughter and proud of her the way that she is turning out

Posted by: jeanne at 06/05/05 2:58 PM | Reply
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People should stop trying to say sh*t about the girl and be concerned with there own family! And low cut shirts are everywhere no one says anything about that JoJo girl or Hilary Duff when they have something on that show their skin. It's not the 50's anymore and teenagers dress different.

Posted by: Misti at 06/05/05 5:34 PM | Reply
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I think Frances is absolutely gorgeous i would love to have her looks. Her shirt is not too low cut. She looked amazing at the preshow. I didn't dress that way at twelve, but only because i was too insecure to otherwise i would have.

Posted by: Kayla at 06/05/05 5:44 PM | Reply
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I personally think that the kid has a good shot at a semi-normal life! she's obviouslly seen more then the average 12 yr. old & theres a good chance she want's a better life for her self, & her family once she's old enough to have one! So she dresses sexy, so did I at 12, my daughters 12 & so does she, thats America! I had a horrible childhood mother shooting drugs in front of me, no father, having been the oldest of four of coarse I had to try & shield my baby sisters & brother, I promised when I had children I would do the exact opposit of what she did to me!I did!
I have 4 wonderful kids,belong to a great church,& have a husband women only dream of, so lay off of the girl, yea her mom has issues, but I know courtney luvs her daughter, and I'm sure she loves her mommy!

Posted by: Laurie at 06/05/05 6:27 PM | Reply
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Who cares about what she's wearing and how low it is. She ain't even got tits so what are you bitches complaining about. Get a life you losers. By the way, people who write down "Um", "Eh", or other stupid chit like that sound so fucken retarded. Write down what you wanna say and leave out the sounds you make if you were actually talking. It's typin, not talking so get your asses outta your head. Farts, burps, scarthes balls, sighs, farts again. Suck on it bitches.

Posted by: Jason Varitek at 06/05/05 6:54 PM | Reply
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im 12 years old and stop dissin her she so HOT she sizzles in the cold.and for all the chickies out there email me

Posted by: 12 at 06/05/05 6:59 PM | Reply
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I think in this day age it's fine what she wearing ,I can at least inocences in frances's eyes and that she might might not turn out like that mother of her's she seen alot and i think she will be fine

Posted by: maria at 06/05/05 8:35 PM | Reply
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her eyes are beautiful if only her genius father were alive to see her now...

Posted by: me at 06/05/05 8:49 PM | Reply
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ur right shooby r.i.p kurt

Posted by: that grl at 06/05/05 9:05 PM | Reply
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I think when the Bean was little,she looked like Kurt. Now, she looks like a mix of her father and mother. She has Kurt's nose & smile. She also has Courtney's face shape. Click on my name to check out a pic of Courtney when she was young.

Posted by: CaliforNight at 06/05/05 9:59 PM | Reply
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Frances looks fine in her clothes,I have see yong girls wear things way worse than that at school.What she is wearimg is decent compared to what girls wear today,at least you can't see her small breasts through her shirt.And her mother looks ok too.So I am behind her mother and her 100%

Posted by: Tom at 06/05/05 11:14 PM | Reply
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those girls look like sluts for god sake!!!they should put asighn around there necks that say F*** me now!!!! that girls is too young to wear something like that!! I would have been raped every day at where I use to live if i wore something like that every day!!!!!!!!

Posted by: I see whores ! at 06/05/05 11:21 PM | Reply
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this is to "i see whores!" I am 17 years old and was browsing around on the internet killing time and I came across this picture of the girls. Okay....she's 12 for God's sake! Lay off! How can it be good and helpful to a 12 year old to read such derogatory comments like that about not just herself but her mother also?! Don't throw up the word rape at a very tactfully dressed 12 year old. You could wear a turtle neck and blue jeans and get raped! I think they both look very tasteful and her mother looks incredible compared to her past appearence! Can you think before you type next time and realize that a 12 year old could possibly be reading this?

Posted by: Heather at 06/06/05 12:55 AM | Reply
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I think it is beautiful to see them together and to see both of them still going. Everyone is so worried how the child is dress. Why? That is just focusing on the wrong thing. Instead of seeing what the picture is worth some people have to pick apart a 12 year old girl. This world is so media-oriented that its gross. I hope that she becomes a rockstar just like her dad; hopefully his talent can shine through her. The world needs more non-commercial talent like Kurt who just DON'T GIVE A FUCK, especially what the media has to say! Anarchy for Life.

Posted by: Pancake at 06/06/05 3:11 AM | Reply
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The whole dressing issue Yes there is a line between Classy and Cheap and what Courtney and Frances had on was in my mind very classy I don't think Frances outfit was to lowcut or "slutty", but that wasn't really my issue, I was reading all the different comments and came across Jason Varitek's comment, my god that was atrocious u are complaining about people using "uh's and Ehh's or whatever and trying to come off as I think sounding intelligent but why don't u learn how to spell first before u start commenting on someone else's grammer or use of phrases they choose to use, I am not saying that I am miss grammer by any means there are tons of grammatical errors I am sure in this comment,what I also found to be humorous is the fact that u said people are typing and not writing things down ok I see that,well last time I checked u would type not write things down on a comp. like u had stated-in your comment after saying how people should not type certain things,but I guess I could be the wrong one here, and also the last sentences u posted were just ridiculous(sp?) was that really necessary I imagine you are young by typing that if you are not well then I feel sorry for you, I am sorry for an attack It just struck me as very rude and uncalled for

Posted by: MissFortune at 06/06/05 3:47 AM | Reply
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I think that Jeff has the best message on this board. Everyone needs to clink onto his link and see that pathetic human being! Thanks for the laugh Jeff!

Posted by: Jess at 06/06/05 6:20 AM | Reply
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hi melina its kara i think u r the right melina?? if so answer this on this site plz

Posted by: dghhhfxs at 06/06/05 11:54 AM | Reply
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Come on guys your being alittle harsh. People are saying they would`nt let there 12 year old daughter dress like that when they are`nt in these people shoes. They are famous what do you expect. Im quit sure if your 12 year old had money she`d do what she pleased, and if you say something to she`d run off. So if you people think you can do better at raising a famous child,get your kid some talent!!!

Posted by: tlo at 06/06/05 2:46 PM | Reply
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HEY PEOPLE ITS NOT THE 50'S ANY MORE. this gurl has been thru alot, let the gurl dress the way she wants its a modest and cute top and its stylelish. kurt kobain is my hero as a guitarist and song writer right next 2 hedrix, clapton, angus young, johnny cash, wille neslson and others god bless u kurt wish u were here. when some other chick dresses like that who cares

Posted by: zakk at 06/07/05 7:31 PM | Reply
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Kurt was a prophet of sorts and changed albeit momemtarily the shape of the music industry. His death is a loss to mankind.

"The duty of youth is to challenge corruption."
~ Kurt Cobain
http://www.cobaincase.com/
http://www.justiceforkurt.com/updates/
http://www.angelfire.com/home/KCWMTV/kcwm.html
http://www.deathofkurtcobain.com/main.html
http://www.indefenceofkurtcobain.com/

Posted by: Missing Kurt at 07/02/05 7:52 AM | Reply
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i dont care what Frances looks like, as long as she's happy and living a great life.

Posted by: Vicky at 07/18/05 8:44 PM | Reply
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Yes Courtney made some mistakes.And hers have been made very public. She has come along way and has made changes. I am very proud of her. She and her daughter look beautiful together. This picture speaks volumes of the love she has for her daughter.

Posted by: Janey Rose at 07/23/05 9:54 PM | Reply
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I am not a Love fan- So I won't comment on the murder/suicide of Cobain. All I will say is that Frances looks so alike Kurt it's like he's back. No doubt she has the same compassion as her Dad and I hope that Love doesn't drag her down and make her as unhappy as she made Kurt. If he saw her now he would be so proud of his beautiful daughter, how she's coping with her mother and what she's been through.

Posted by: In Utero is the best album ever at 07/29/05 7:06 AM | Reply
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I think Courtney hired a hit man to kill Kurt...Of course...Everyone does...Poor Frances won't think that...But hopefully she will realize that her mother was a bloody cuntfaced whore...And NOT give her the fortune she is set to inherit by 18 cause that would just be FUCKING STUPID AS HELL. Courtney will NEVER clean up her act and change...SHE IS A FUCKING STUPID WHORE!

Posted by: Lizz at 07/29/05 6:49 PM | Reply
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Admittidly the evidence of Kurts death is very suspicious. The police should re-open the case. Medics say that he was so heavily overdosed with heroin that no one on record has been able to pick up the weight of a gun and even more unlikely be able to pull the trigger and shot themselves. Love also cut up his credit cards when he went "missing" though they could have tracked him down through the payments on it. There was no identifiable finger prints on the gun (gloves?). Love and Cobain were going to divorce but if they had then Love would not have got a penny from him. Funny that Cobain died before they split up. Maybe my suspicions are wrong but aren't these to many coincedenses?

Posted by: In Utero is the best album ever at 07/30/05 4:52 AM | Reply
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Another thing- Love attempted to kill Cobain 6 times. And, though she denies it, she was taking heroin while pregnant with Frances Bean... If the second is true then frankly she doesn't derserve Frances. Cobains kid will work it out for herself, she is not yet a teen but give it a couple of years.

Posted by: In Utero is the best album ever at 07/30/05 9:12 AM | Reply
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Woaw.. Frances Bean really looks like her dad. And her mum are truly cleaning up her acts, which I think are for the best. There have been soo many rumours around Courtney. Hopefully Frances Bean won't grow up and feel betrayed her whole life as her parents once did. I do not believe for a second that Courtney destroyed Kurts life. I believe they were too much of whitetrash and very late blossoming. Finding dope as an resolution, they were not the first one. But Frances Bean can forever feel loved down her heart. Her dad are wathing over her and her mum tries to not do the same mistakes twice, very good!

Posted by: jessie at 07/30/05 10:41 AM | Reply
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Courtney Love + Frances Bean = family

the only family these individuals ever have had, so stop talking shit about their lives. Frances are not disturbed as we all can agree on. But guess what? Courtney ain't either....

Kurt died... sadly.. but they have to be able to move on... and soo do we all....

Posted by: FoxFire Babe at 07/30/05 10:47 AM | Reply
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How am I taliking shit? I am not saying that Love killed Cobain. The evidence is certainly not shit. This is true evidence. Ever read the police reports?- You should. I really sincerly hope that Courtney is a good undisturbed person, but sadly, It doesn't seem the case. Frances Bean has already had to live at her Grandma's because of Love's state of mind and her problems/issues. She is only a child. If Love was a proper Mum then she wouldn't have her daughter taken away from her.

Posted by: In Utero is the best album ever! at 07/30/05 2:15 PM | Reply
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whoever said she has a better chance being raised by racoons made me laugh really loud, quite abruptly. so thanks.

Posted by: quillber at 07/30/05 5:28 PM | Reply
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i think everyone needs to stop talking fucking shit about courtny and leave frances alone as she grows. even if its tough for courtney her intentions is to be a good mom. she does love her child. theyve both been through alot and think they should stop being attacked by the fucking press

Posted by: tony at 08/04/05 7:29 AM | Reply
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is it just me or does frances look like jojo? I like what shes wearing shes a nice pritty girl and i do agree, she is the daughter of a legend (kurt) who we miss and love and yes fuck u if u hate the cobains (that doesnt include courtney)

Posted by: skitz at 08/09/05 3:04 PM | Reply
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I don't really know what to say.umm...Very nice though....um..i don't know, It'd be really cool to get to meet Frances

Posted by: Spercholi at 10/29/05 8:15 PM | Reply
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OMFG!Who cares how low her shirt is if she is comfortable in it then let the girl where it!Im 13 and she is now 13 so yea and omfg it is just a shirt!Kurt Cobain was and still is amazinly amazin and i swear if any of you freakers say ne thing bad about him or his family i hope you go to hell sry but i do.Like that one people person said up there people make freakin mistakes get over it..all you peeps know you have a made a mistake before so get over it!Im soo not blamming Courtney for killing Kurt it is pathetic to blame someone about something when we dont even know the whole story so im not blamming her and i really dont think she did it but whatever and i do not think Kurt killed himself either so there.To me Courtney looks perfectly fine and so what if shes a drug addict people cant get over drugs that freakin quick so let the women do what she wants!And if Courtney and Frances are reading this i am sooo by your peeps side all the way no matter what!So theres what i think..and to me Frances and Courtney both look fine and who cares if their shirt is to freakin low it is just a freakin shirt my god!

Posted by: Brittanee at 11/02/05 10:23 PM | Reply
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hate all you want but all of you wish your dad was kurt cobain or some one like him....

Posted by: dak at 01/16/06 10:45 AM | Reply
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How can you tell someone is well adjusted by the way they look? That's just retarded.

What is more retarded, is all these people ranting about an innocent 12 year old girl, lol. Fucking losers.

As for Courtney Love, she may be a drug addict, but her own daughter defends her in interviews, saying they have a great relationship. She seems really smart, just like her mom. Her mom has a really high IQ. I don't care, I still love her.

And btw, she doesn't have Kurt's chin. She has Courtney's Chin. Remember, Kurt kinda had a butt chin. She looks like a perfect mix between the two, it's soo cute.

Posted by: Gwen at 08/20/06 2:46 AM | Reply
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I never usually judge people but i seriously dislike courtney, i am a nirvana fan, but i still find it hard to believe she killed him. I hope both of them live a happy life.

Posted by: Otacon at 08/24/06 3:53 PM | Reply
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Rest In Peace, Kurt. <3 To Frances, you look so beautiful and so much like your father. I'm sure you're happy to have a father such as him.
I've been listening to Nirvana since the day I was born and I am a huge fan of them, but I was born in '93 so I never had the chance to meet Kurt or go to a Nirvana concert.
To everyone against her; Courtney Love isn't a bad person, she's making the effort to get out of drugs and become a healthy person so you shouldn't think about the past but see what she's doing -now-.
Love you all, Courtney & Frances, I wish you both the best and Kurt - Rest In Peace. <3

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Awah. look at kurts face shine threw.
Daddy's looking at you from hell..
He loves you.
He just diddnt like his-self..
he would be verrrry proud.
Your moms a whore.
i hope you realize that.
DOnt be like her!
Your too cute.. your a spitting image of kurt.
with those blue eyes.. shine on...shine on....

Posted by: Alice. (lover of Kurt) at 12/30/06 2:23 AM | Reply
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she is preety
she my age

Posted by: axl at 02/12/07 3:11 PM | Reply
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salut tous et mercie .....a++

Posted by: mahmoud lekhaila at 06/19/07 6:22 AM | Reply
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it's funny how everyone empathizes with Frances and not Courtney. Courtney lost her husband to suicide, also how dare you accuse her of killing him? She's been a walking disaster ever since and to see her looking healthier and happy with a healthy + happy looking Frances Bean is good. I wish them both all the best :))

Posted by: asdf at 01/28/09 11:54 PM | Reply
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