Coachella: Rage Fans Didn't Like Crowded House
Like the Jesus & Mary Chain, Crowded House got their "unofficial" reunion show out of the way at Glass House on 4/27, where they joked about expecting a hostile crowd of mainly Rage reunion seekers. Prescient thought, 'cause despite taking the Coachella Stage a full three hours before RATM's headlining set, the crowd was NOTHING but Zach and Morello fans. Nothing. And as they joked at Glass House, the kids were gonna be in the mood to throw things.
Felt bad for the Brothers Finn; their obvious enthusiasm on stage (this was their big reunion show, after all) was met with utter indifference from the dehydrated and impatient crowd. Worse yet, from our vantage point, it didn't quite seem like Crowded House understood just how much of the audience wanted them off immediately (i.e. 100%).
When the opening guitar of their smash "Don't Dream It's Over" rung out, we looked around, frantically; would any of these kids respond, even in passing recognition of the tune? And they responded alright. With a water bottle straight to Neil Finn's head! What followed just compounded Neil's embarrassment: He was rattled, the band audibly contemplated aborting the song, but Finn felt for sure he could rely, at least during this one song, on the crowd picking up the slack by singing along. "It's alright, everybody! Come on!" Neil waved the crowd on to sing the legendary hook.
And ... nothing. By this point we were far back into the crowd, and you had to be there to appreciate just how thunderous this silence was.
Absolutely the most embarrassing moment of the fest. But for closure's sake, and to bury the dagger deeper in the Finns' chest, toward set's end Crowded House said, "Soon Rage will be on" -- and the otherwise silent crowd roared to life. Coachella, ya might not wanna book two such disparate reunions so close together next time. But it'd take more than bottle-wielding Rage fans to stop us from singing along to "Something So Strong," even if our friends had a little fun changing the hook to "...could hit me in the face."
Posted at 11:20 AM in Concert
Tags: Coachella | Crowded House | Rage Against The Machine
thats too bad. i quite like crowded house.
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Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan in the crowd? Crowd full of bottle throwing mooks who probably own multiple Limp Bizkit albums?
All signs point to Coachella jumping the shark. It's a shame.
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Crowded House isn't my favorite, but they don't deserve that kind of treatment. What was Coachella thinking when they booked them, anyway?
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The inevitable march toward lameness: Lollapalooza, now Coachella (strange that such a political band like Rage attracts a 97% meathead fanbase). Can't wait for Pitchfork Festival 2010 when a reunited Limp Bizkit plays three hours after a reunited Stone Roses, and Ian Brown has to cut the set short after being shot 27 times by Limp Bizkit fans.
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uh were there 2 Coachellas?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmBiFQvZb84
crowd seems pretty into it not in full hate mode; i didnt watch the House, who played at almost the same time as Lily Allen which probably had something to do with it too
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its not the band i hate its their fans....
sloan.
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that vid's pretty far back, but that song was later in the set. i see something like 100 hands in the air, out of a couple of thousand? that sounds about right. the schedule could have been done better, crowded house didn't deserve those dickish, bottle chucking fans. i sang at the top of my lungs during 'don't dream it's over,' which was embarrassing because nobody sang with me. but it was worth it!
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RATM fans are nothing but Communist assholes. Fuck them.
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man, fuck all that. i hate that sort of idiotic fanboy-ism.
now if that had been panic at the disco onstage...
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man, that's crass. i really like Rage, but so many kids are in it for the agression, not the message. it's too bad no one could get down for Crowded House, becuase it's no doubt they're great musicians at what they do.
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I've always thought RATM sucked. Apparently, their fans do also. I don't know why it's such a shock that so many of their fans would be Limp Bizkit style frat boy douchebags. RATM is one of the pioneers of the unholy alliance between well crafted rock and ridiculously subpar rhymes. I imagine people that listen to that type of stuff probably travel in packs. Huge, bottle throwing, women raping packs.
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A example of excellent programming on the part of the festival.
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I bet that wouldn't have happened if Audioslave headlined!
Seriously, too bad for CH. They deserved a better reception than that. But sensitive, well-crafted melodic pop as a lead-in to aggressive, anarchistic (in a conformist, frat-boy type of way) nu-Metal-Rap -Rock really was a disaster waiting to happen.
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Great take and great post, dudes. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that I come to Stereogum everyday looking to find. Rage sucks.
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rage has played coachella before. no sharks jumped.
how can it be lame to see jesus and mary chain, or bjork, or cornelius? the list goes on.
one band does not a coachella make.
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That's actually not the Finn brothers. Tim wasn't there and isn't playing with Crowded House this go-around. He's got his own solo album coming out.
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I blame niche marketing for this. This wouldn't have happened in the 60s, because the audience was just one big subcultural mush, not a bunch of little duchies convinced of the "realness" of their particular invented suburban culture. But you can move a lot more product if people really think it's made for them personally.
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BROchella
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The crowd was not silent! Almost everyone was singing around me.
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Very shameful behavior. I don't care for Crowded House, and didn't see them, but I am sure they did not deserve that treatment. Just because you aren't into something doesn't mean they are inherently awful and deserve to be bottled.
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> The crowd was not silent!
Guess it depended on where you were standing? I was up front for a few songs and heard nothing but "We want Rage!" chants (Finn replied "They're coming soon...") -- AND I took a wayward water bottle to the back (which felt refreshing after it opened up and soaked me). Moved deeper into the crowd for "Don't Dream It's Over," and the bottle-smack/botched sing along made me wince in empathy. But they held it well. And as the Glass House vid showed, at least they knew it was coming!
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plain and simple Coachella festival was star studded. there are still a ton of summer festivals that will be packed with celebs. here is a list of what's left.
http://collegecandy.com/2007/05/01/this-summers-gonna-rock-and-my-brother-can-go-to-hell/
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Crowded House, Modest Mouse, Schmowded Schmouse. STOP RHYMING WITH GROUSE!
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Listening to the soundboard mix audio on the streaming webcast, there were plenty of cheers for the Crowdies, but it was clear that there were a core of Rage fans at the front of the stage (chanting Rage! Rage! Rage! ad nauseum). And chucking bottles. Agreed CH were probably at the wrong stage at the wrong time, but still.
I rather presume that none of those chanting, bottle-chucking, unable-to-grap-the-irony-of-their-behaviour RATM fans are likely to be changing the world in any sort of positive way in the near future.
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The Retards Against the Machine were also spouting their half-assed political views, which are always good for a laugh. This time it was that every US Administration that the Retards don't like (I think they said, every one since Truman) should be "shot." Nothing like advocating assassination and murder to get a "Hell yeah!" from the frat boys and Che chicks! Bunch of arrogant twats.
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I invoke the spirit of the Refreshments!
"Everybody knows that the world is full of stupid people..."
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Don't blame Rage if dumb frat dudes go all in for the aggression and ignore the message. But you can't have Rage without the RAGE. If it were up to me all those Bros would be shot as well, please don't paint all their fans with the same brush.
Oh and Ellison, the biggest most arrogant twat here is you.
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Don't blame Rage if dumb frat dudes go all in for the aggression and ignore the message. But you can't have Rage without the RAGE. If it were up to me all those Bros would be shot as well, please don't paint all their fans with the same brush.
Oh and Ellison, the biggest most arrogant twat here is you.
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From the webcast perspective, you could tell (especially on "Don't Dream") that Neil was a bit unhappy to be overshadowed and unappreciated. Poor guys, it was a great set otherwise.
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"unable-to-grap-the-irony-of-their-behaviour RATM fans"
Their behavior (note proper spelling) was detestable, but how was it ironic?
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Nice job pairing up crowded house and RATM, that would be like Simon & Garfunkel playing right before Black Sabbath.
What a hoot!!
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oh my... that breaks my heart. neil finn is truly one of the great pop songwriters. i had no idea crowded house were even reuniting until i read the coachella line-up. would have killed to be there, just to see them.
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To diss a band as important as Rage Against the Machine simply because some of their fans act in an undeniably stupid manner is ridiculous.
I hate Limp Bizkit and the legions of nu-metal-rap metal bands that (poorly) attempted to cash in on Rage's sound. Remember, when Rage first appeared, there was no other band putting heavy riffs together with political lyrics sung by a hip hop vocalist (except Anthrax and Public Enemy's 'Bring the Noise,' but that was a one off.)
Give Rage the credit they deserve, even if you don't care for the music. At least they're saying something socially important with their music.
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Boo. count me among the CH/Finn fans who are disheartened by this.
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Aw man that's horrible. Crowded House isn't my favorite band, but they were one of the best from their decade. I think it was a dumb move to have them play right before Rage though. They're...two completely different bands.
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I invoke the spirit of Smashing Pumpkins:
Despite all their rage, they're still just rats in a cage.
On an unrelated note, I will personally pay full price for five copies by any band of any CD titled "Frat Boys and Che Chicks." Seriously. Do it and I will pay for it.
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>BROchella
rofl
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I wanna publish zines and rage against Rage Against The Machine
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I was up front for the first two sets of the day on the main stage on Sunday (Mika and Lupe Fiasco), and there were already Rage fans preventing people from getting too close. My friend and I were debating which band these fans would hate most that they were "forced" to sit through...We figured Manu Chao, but I suppose CH was bad too. Weak sauce.
About 1 in 6 attendees wore a Rage shirt at one point in the weekend.
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Wow, 1 in 6 wore Rage t-shirts? That's the SAME ratio of retards to the general population.
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Mahindra & Mahindra. Behavior = U.S spelling, Behaviour = U.K spelling. Me = who gives a shit if someone spells a word incorrectly. I know this is a U.S site but it inevitably has a multinational audience. I'm gonna spell it Behayveeyur and you're just gonna have to suffer it.
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"My friend and I were debating which band these fans would hate most that they were "forced" to sit through...We figured Manu Chao, but I suppose CH was bad too. Weak sauce."
i would have guessed theyd shank mika.
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it's obvious that crowded house should have been on the outdoor stage.
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Matt Sherrod is a great drummer!
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Wow! The pretentiousness of those posting on this page is 100% more annoying than any Rage fans. Get over it and cry else where.
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Wow! The pretentiousness of those posting on this page is 100% more annoying than any Rage fans. Get over it and cry else where.
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Mahindra(s):
As noted, "behaviour" is just fine in most English-speaking parts of the world - Don't rush to judge, lest you embarass yourself with your parochial views.
As for irony, I find it somehwat ironic that a bunch of RATM fans would act like jerks in their impatience to hear songs of righteous anger ostensibly in service of goals of respect and inclusion. I guess they forgot about the respect and inclusion part. I also find it deeply ironic hearing about 60,000 fans singing in unison the lyrics to songs about non-conformity. Clearly it is time for a reissue of the Life of Brian.
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i liked RATM up until the first time someone said "i love lifting to that shit!"
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Crowded House reuniting was mind-boggling enough, scheduling them before Rage was a really weird decision.
Manu Chao, on the other hand, seemed like as great a fit as anyone else at the festival, for a RATM warm up. Loud, energetic, political, and awesome.
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apparently half a sandwich made its way onto the stage as well.
last year there were t-shirts that said "madonna killed coachella". i think substituting "rage" would have been entirely way too appropiate this year.
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who gets paid to schedule this shit?
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apparently half a sandwich made its way onto the stage as well.
last year there were t-shirts that said "madonna killed coachella". i think substituting "rage" would have been entirely way too appropiate this year.
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apparently half a sandwich made its way onto the stage as well.
last year there were t-shirts that said "madonna killed coachella". i think substituting "rage" would have been entirely way too appropiate this year.
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apparently half a sandwich made its way onto the stage as well.
last year there were t-shirts that said "madonna killed coachella". i think substituting "rage" would have been entirely way too appropiate this year.
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Am I the only one who likes House and Rage? C'mon now... the person who scheduled this order of bands should be demoted to the nacho stand.
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my favorite tshirt last year said "you're here for tool, arent you"
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Totally feral behaviour, I hope the bottle throwing bastards get what's coming to them
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I'm a New Zealander and like both Crowded House & R.A.T.M. Its good to see that theres a load of others out there who appreciate and like Crowded House so much. And i agree it was a poor choice to schedule these 2 bands together in such quick procession. Also i am very disappointed in some of the rage fans, but i know the type and well its just a shame they like rage. I would have thought perhaps Zach or may have said something about it when he cam eon stage (but i guess they were going for that big impact reunion of not speaking besides an introduction). Imagine if he had said something like "you should respect and give credit to Crowded House" the crowd would all go out and buy Crowded House cds.
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For so many people on here bitching about Rage there sure were a lot who showed up to watch them. At least 30,000. Couldn't have been that bad. I thought they rocked.....and I like Crowded House too.
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zank & Bad Behavior: I know -O-U-R is the British/international English spelling; I was just tweaking zank for shits & giggles. Note that I didn't call zank to task for misspelling 'grasp'.
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I am a total Neil Finn dorkus. I'm glad I wasn't there--I don't want my @ss kicked by bunch of meaty ragers. But for what it's worth, Crowded House's music has aged well; Neil Finn's solo albums are totally worth listening too; lastly a Neil Finn dvd came out in 2001 or 2002 featuring Johnny Marr, members of radiohead, eddie vedder, etc. that sounds great. I'm generally not huge fan of older bands playing past their prime, but Finn's voice remains solid. I'm not a kiwi either
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I am a total Neil Finn dorkus. I'm glad I wasn't there--I don't want my @ss kicked by bunch of meaty ragers. But for what it's worth, Crowded House's music has aged well; Neil Finn's solo albums are totally worth listening too; lastly a Neil Finn dvd came out in 2001 or 2002 featuring Johnny Marr, members of radiohead, eddie vedder, etc. that sounds great. I'm generally not huge fan of older bands playing past their prime, but Finn's voice remains solid. I'm not a kiwi either
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Saw RATM at Reading, UK 7 years or so ago and the same thing happened to a lip-synching UK pop duo who played b4 them. Bottles of urine thrown at them and the crowd turned their back. Band had to leave the stage after 2 songs... who schedules these festivals?
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I traveled from DC to Coachella to see both Crowded House and Rage, and was totally let down. There was a very dark vibe in my part of the crowd...no recognition of Neil and the boys at all...just boredom and impatience. Must hand it to Neil though that he tried to keep things on track, but after the bottle-to-the-head, the wind was most definitely out of his sails. The saddest part for me was when he basically dropped his guitar on the stage and stepped up to the mic one last time, saying something like "just give me one second to really take a look at you and burn this into my memory...it's an image I won't soon forget"...or words to that effect. Then he walked off. Very depressing. I left. I really wanted to see Rage, but not with that crowd...far too hostile imho. On another note, did anyone else experience the near riot in the campground the evening before? A bunch of cop cars and a police helicopter called in to calm down the wild bunch? A very surreal night indeed. Had a few hundred guys getting really ugly (I heard the word Altamont spoken a few times, and something about torching tents), and singing in unison...of all things "Wish you were here" by Pink Floyd, who wrote the song before these concert-goers were even born. Again...surreal. I figured that the Meth had finally arrived...
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FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU BITCHES WHO SAID RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE SUCKS! They're the greatest band alive!
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Explosions in the Sky, The Roots, Willie Nelson, Crowded House, Manu Chao, RATM...while others may think it an odd and even disasterous combination, I watched them all and I think the main stage offered fabulous diversity and great performances. I am a big fan of most of these bands, yes, both Crowded House and RATM. It's a real shame that more people aren't more open about their musical tastes - if you can't be at very least tolerant, and hopefully appreciative, of musical diversity, how can you be so of other forms of diversity? The bottle-throwing idiot and some of the inane comments on this page exemplify just how closed-minded and intolerant our society really is. Crowded House is one hell of a class act - it's too bad more people don't take to heart the values of love and respect they engender. It's sad, sad world we live in...
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What a load of stereotypying rubbish going on in this thread.
Clearly the reaction of the crowd was not as bad as it's been painted. And as a rage fan since day one the way they are painted is ignorant nonsense.
Don't make broad generalisations about something you know nothing about, just because you don't like their music.
They attract people who are into their music for the raw aggressiveness but to call their fans pack "rapists" makes you a total and utter dork.
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Has RATM commented about the water bottle incident or given any kind of support towards the CH reunion? Poor Neil Finn! One of the best song craftsmen should not be treated this way. And poor RATM. If I had fans that threw things on stage and acted like stupid frat kids, I'd quit playing music for good.
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By the way Jamie, you are a stupid frat kid.
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RATM is a crap band anyways. They built a whole career around third-rate reworkings of "Immigrant Song" with ham-fisted political posturing and Zach De La Rocha (who can't sing to save his life) screaming every lyric. KA-WIT IT NOW!!!
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Man, I bought the tickets for Bjork, and I won't lie, the Rage reunion sealed the deal for me on the subject of whether or not to do all three days, but on Saturday night when all the Rage fiends started showing up, things really began going downhill out there. There were so many sweet bands, it was a real shame to find out that the fans of Rage were the type to be such pricks about everything. When that water bottle hit, I racked my brain trying to think of the lyrics to that Crowded House song. That just wasn't fair. There were some Australian kids behind me with a big fucking flag screaming along though, so at least somebody was there to try and help. Rage fans ruined the Rage reuinion for me, sadly, and others too apparently. Suck it, bonehead Rage kids.
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I've been attending Coachella since 2003, and if anything is changing, it's the crowd. It's disgusting how many RATM shirts that were purchased on the grounds, and the hundreds of people walking into Coachella at 9 o' clock Sunday evening. I agree that Coachella is going downhill, although I'm praying it will pick back up again. 'Til then, support local music!
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i myself was front row at this concert (on the left side under the big TV) and i am sad to say that the above article hits very home and completely relates the feelings of the crowd it was very unfortunate because no one in the crowd had ever heard crowded house before so no one could really sing along or support them plus they were playing to crowd of Manu chao and RATM fans they were good musicians and had a good show but unfortunetly they were playing to the wrong crowd, i felt bad being in the crowd and having people around me participate but there was nothing i could do. i honestly think that crowded house should have either played earlier in the day when the crowd was more calm and peaceful or played on a different day of the festival. i can only offer my disappointment in my fellow Rage fans for not showing other performences respect. but the festival organizers should have given the feelings of the crowd a thought.
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"A example of excellent programming on the part of the festival."
Well put.
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When I first read this posting, I was appalled by the actions of the Rage fans. But then these comments have given me hope that not all of the people there were as disrepectful and childish as those people were. Seriously, bottle thowing is something I would expect from the middle schoolers at Warped Tour who think Fall Out Boy is not punk enough for them.
How much were Cochella tickets anyway? And how many people paid for transportation to and from there as well? One can only hope that the sun and heat exhaustion was to blame for these people's immature reactions.
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I wouldn't expect anything else. The same thing happens every time a fairly diverse festival pulls off a bit of a coup in signing a big metal band (usually Metallica and Tool in my experience).
This usually attracts a vast majority of their fans who don't know any music apart from metal, and are into it because of some kind of image problem or macho/homophobic tendency. "Man Crowded House are so gay, what pussies".
On the other hand, fans of other genres are usually more accepting to bands from totally different backgrounds and styles.
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Oh I also should mention that I dig metal (generally more credible and less hype-driven gimmick bansd), but try to distance myself from the whole 'scene' and self-righteous attitude.
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For the record I also should mention that I dig metal (generally more credible and less hype-driven gimmick bands), but I can't stand the whole 'scene' and self-righteous attitude.
Rage for example have some decent social messages (and some anarchistic/deconstructive bs) but most fans are meatheads who would have no idea.
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Obviously only bands who sound almost exactly like RATM should be allowed to go on before them. Otherwise, they should just do shows alone, because NO decent band, least of all one as brilliant as Crowded House, deserves this.
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RATM are one of the most influencial bands ever to exist. Their lyrics and powerful riffs explode through thier CD's and live shows. As a massive Rage fan i was devistated to not be able to attend this show, as i live in Australia. I agree the fact that Crowded House don't deserve to be hit by bottles, but i can guarentee if you go to any rock concert these days bottles are thrown all over the place. It doesnt matter who the fans are. These artists must know there is a risk that this will happen. Don't single out Rage Against The Machine fans as disgusting 'women raping'....i mean seriously women raping??? Rage promotes equal rights to women...infact to everyone. So don't say that as a fan i walk around raping women, because i find that quite insulting. And think about how you would be acting if you had been waiting for 7 years to see your favourite band. You might do some stupid stuff too. Rage Against The Machines music has a power behind it, that i have never felt from another band. I can only hope that they do return to Australia so i can experience what thousands of people at Coachella were privledged to experience. I LOVE THEM!
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I also forgot to mention, the people that seem to think anyone who likes RATM also likes Limp Bizkit....seriously??? i wouldnt listen to that rubbish if people paid me. So for the people that put all RATM fans under one generalisation, actually understand something before you criticise it.
Peace
Love
Anger and,
Unity
Together We Can Make A Better Place
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Crowded House had their "Farwell To The World" show November 24, 1996. That means that it has been about 10 years since CH fans have seen them perform live. I understand that expectations can make people impatient. But by those standards, would CH fans have been forgiven for acting disrespectally to someone else's favorite band?
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I was like 4 people from the front bar to the stage and there were not many people being disresptful around me. We had a few bad apples but come on, we are talking about RAGE fans not CH fans. 2 totally different levels of music and fan types. what did you expect? The fans were impulsive, aggressive and overly hyper-excited to see Rage. Bad timing for the reunions and bad line up, but you had miserably hot, half drunk,anxious people wanting to see RATM. After all remember RAGE was the headliner, not CH.
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I'd been looking forward to Rage for so long but fellow dickhead fans really took the edge off the dat. I hadn't heard any Crowded House Stuff but was disgusted by the bottle throwing incident. No musician deserves that
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I'm a massive Crowded House fan and I've never been and never will go to Coachella.
Personally I think the CH management should never have allowed CH to go on a bill with Rage fans. They could have selected a much more suitable bill or festival. After all CH are massive in Australia/NZ and big in the UK but not so popular in the US.
So where do CH do their big reunion concert?
In the US, on a bill with a band whose fans were probably between 6-15 when CH split up 10 years ago. This was a terrible boo-boo on on behalf of the bands management. Crowded House deserved a much better reception for their first 'big' reunion show.
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DUDE WHO THE HELL IS CROWDED HOUSE ANYWAY??? ATLEAST RAGE HAS A MESSAGE, DE LA ROCHA CANT HELP IT THAT FRAT BOYS AND METH HEADS LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC...IF YOU LISTEN TO RAGE THEY HAVE ALOT TO SAY ABOUT INJUSTICE IN THE WORLD AND HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS FOR A LONG TIME...UNLIKE STUPID AVERAGE AMERICAN BAND WAGON IDIOTS THAT ONLY COMPLAIN ABOUT BUSH AND GETTING A DEOMOCRAT IN THE WHITEHOUSE....WAKE UP FOLKS ITS NOT JUST BUSH ITS THE WHOLE SYSTEM!!! THE GOOD OL BOY SYSTEM!!! AND AGAIN WHO FUCKING CARES ABOUT CROWDED HOUSE WHAT MESSAGE DO THEY HAVE?
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Dear Foster,
To answer your first question, Crowded House are (were?) one of the finest Ausssie/NZ bands of the 80s/90s and they have written many a fantastic hook and lyric. Their messages have been many and varied, but have included the political, albeit slightly more subtly political than those of RATM. More often, their lyrics include thought provoking messages on life itself and the human condition.
Secondly, it's great to hear that you're so well informed when it comes to RATM's message, and that you distance yourself from those "band wagon idiots" who only want a "deomocrat in the white house". I trust you've been reading up on anarchist socialism and the like on wikipedia in between playing World Of Warcraft and sucking down Coke. Good luck with your violent revolution, I'm sure people will sit up and notice if you preach to them IN CAPITAL LETTERS COS THAT'S BOUND TO GET YOU TAKEN SERIOUSLY!
Good Day, hope I helped. :-)
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Wow. Good work Nick. That idiot is another one of those....well...you know. I personally love RATM. But I dont think it's right to bash another band. Crowded House never deserved that kind of treatment. I think people should have a maturity test before they can be allowed into a concert.
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