Don't Read This If You Haven't Yet Seen The Last LOST
That post title is your SPOILER ALERT, so be mindful. Before heading down to the dim sum joint to eat with Man Man, we triple checked our TiVOs and then checked 'em one more time. The LOST creators promised a paradigm shift with the season finalé's last five minutes ... and, wow. But before we get to that, let's recap our tenuous reasoning for mentioning the ep on Stereogum. We had:
- A black-bearded pill-popping Jack, driving to a funeral parlor called Hoffs/Drawlar (anagram for "flash forward"!) -- clearly unhinged and depressed because of said beard and his listening to Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice." (By the way, the date on Jack's newspaper clipping in that scene is 4/5/07, the 13th anniversary of Kurt's death.)
- The Looking Glass code being programmed by a musician with a soft spot for the Beach Boys (to stop the station's frequency jamming, Charlie needed to tap the melody to "Good Vibrations," though Jacob probably would have appreciated "God Only Knows").
- R.I.P DriveSHAFT
Also, this bit (and pic) from commenter Lucas:
One-eyed Russian Mikhail made a big boom on last night's Lost finale and today Meg is playing a one-eyed prostitute in the "Icky Thump" video. Too early to declare that cyclops are having the best week ever?
Perfect. So, theory sharing time. Is that flash forward of a future set in stone? Desmond always told Charlie that, for the future to comport with his premonitions, the preceding events had to as well. Changeable future? Is Jack's dad really alive (as he tells the new chief of surgery to call him down to see if "he's drunker than I am") -- or is Jack just too hopped up on OxyContin? Who's in that casket, and who does Kate have to rush home to? And most importantly, who's doing Kate's makeup in the future?? We want Freckles' freckles.
Posted at 10:23 AM
Tags: Beach Boys | DriveSHAFT | LOST | Nirvana
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That was so bad-ass when Sayid broke that Other's neck with his legs.
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Christ, I didn't even think about Jack's dad being alive. I agree, Freckles ain't Freckles without freckles. I liked the choice of Nirvana song.
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i agree about sayid breaking the dudes neck. i went freaking nutso and beat my chest like a gorilla (no joke)
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what about hurley steamrolling cuz with the dharma van?!?
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one word: WALT!!!
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I think Jack was just too doped up to deal with the fact that his father was dead. And wtf is Jacob, anyway?
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Jack looked like Brian Wilson circa pet sounds and Jim Morrison circa that bathtub in Paris...
I think it's Ben's funeral - no friends or family visiting - and Jack claimed to be "neither".
Kate looked like she had work done by Joan Rivers' plastic surgeon.
It's too easy to assume that Kate is with Sawyer in the future. Perhaps there's a new character to be introduced. The other options are slim: Hurley? Sayid? Locke? Charlie, (if he's alive) has a woman, ditto for Desmond.
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dude, nothing was more badass than sayid, but i also enjoyed jack beating the shit out of ben. i hope that future can be changed tho cuz that is not jack. and i mean they did sign on for like 4 more seasons. something has to change
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"that's for taking the kid off the raft" Sawyer is in some serious rage lately, then again, the brig will do that to a fella
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I highly doubt that Jack's dad is alive. As mentioned above, he's either too screwed up on drugs or his meaning of "my dad upstairs" is a reference to heaven.
Some questions-- why does Locke easily shoot Naomi but hesitate with Jack? Certaintly, he thought she was a problem, but if it was so important for them to not make a connection with Naomi's people, shouldnt he have shot Jack?
Why does the eye patch guy heal like Locke?
Why does Benjamin spare the lives of Sayid, Jin and Bernard? He knew that some of his people were killed, so what was the purpose of keeping them alive?
Tons of other things to question too. Cheers to Hurley. And Sawyer. And Jack.
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When Jack said, "Bring my father down here," I thought he clearly meant, "Bring him down from the afterlife," or "Dig him up and bring him down here." I don't see what the difficulty with this is.
I'll miss Charlie, and I hope these flashforwards don't become too prominent. I don't like the future that they show, and I'd rather watch it unfold without the flashes.
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the funeral is for sawyer.
i'm calling it!
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Here is the translated obituary. It is suspected that it came from someone that works on the show.
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft. Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
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Okay, it's unlikely that Jack's father is still alive. He was probably just too hopped up on oxy. But Matthew writing above:
"When Jack said, "Bring my father down here," I thought he clearly meant, "Bring him down from the afterlife," or "Dig him up and bring him down here." I don't see what the difficulty with this is."
I think you're a tad confused and presuming too much. Who (even someone drunk/high would say those words and assume your interpretation? Has anyone?
Unless you're trying to be funny. Then I take it back.
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No, I honestly didn't see any other option when I heard him say that. And, frankly, I've heard numerous other people interpret it similarly.
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about lost season finale, ""i´m pickin up good vibrations"" literally;
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definitely disagree with the heaven interpretation. i think jack's father is either alive, or he was just high. but at this point i'm seriously going to go with his father is alive. when we're expected to believe that people can live without being discovered on an island with weird electo-magnetic fields and polar bears and mysterious black smoke i really don't think it's that much of a stretch to think he's alive.
that and the idea of being drunk in the afterlife is just retarded, even if you are high.
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I thought it was great when Sawyer killed Tom. Anyone else tickled by that?
Who do you think Naomi's people are? It'd make sense if they were just Dharma, because Ben will be for it bumping the rest of the islands' contingent off.
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oh and does anyone else sense a problem in the fact that they've only supposed to have been on the island for a few months but walt has clearly aged from like, 8 to 15.
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but duncan, someone mentioned that once naomi's people come to the island, they would kill everyone. why would dharma kill everyone on the island if they were experimenting on them?
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You people with your televisions.
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First: As far as the obituary transcript is concerned, it seems like the person in the casket is Michael going under an assumed name, based on the teenage son line. But wouldn't Walt be at the funeral?
Second (@Jar): Ben said that if Jack made the call every living person on the island would be killed. He wasn't specific though, about how that would happen.
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Where was that obituary transcript found? I was guessing it was Michael who died, but it could be a character we don't even know about yet.
Also I read somewhere else online about the idea that Kate saying "he'll be wondering where I am" could be referring to a son! Whoa.
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Jack went to Juliet's funeral. That's why Kate said "why would I go?".
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Here's my guess, although it's a bit of a stretch.
The island is a middle ground between two time dimensions (ala. Stargate, Sliders, etc.) In the alternate timeline their fates become inverted.
Support:
-Kate is not in jail for killing her father. (Her father is alive.) The "he" Kate refers to is likely an abusive male she puts up with.
-Jack's father appears to be alive. Jack instead becomes his father's character (alcoholic).
-Naomi said that "they found the plane with bodies in it" (Timeline B). Which would be why they wouldn't run into their characters in the alternate timeline.
-Women can't have babies on the island, which might make sense if they are not in a normal timeline.
-The helicopter could not penetrate/see the island in "normal" time and crashed.
-When asked about the island, the producers have said it "is somewhere in the space-time continuum"...sufficiently vague to support this theory.
-Jack wants to go back to the island to get back to his "normal" timeline. Obviously he thinks going back will remedy his current situation.
And unrelated....Ben was right, and is the one in the casket.
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Naomi Dittor (the character's full name) is an anagram for "raid monitor." ...and a crapload of other things, but hey, "raid monitor!"
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i believe jack's dad is alive. keep in mind a). the healing powers of the island, and b).that when jack found his dad's casket after the plane crash, it was empty, and his body was nowhere to be found.
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The person in the casket had to be a man because the obituary cleared made several references to "he." My guess is that it was Michael for several reasons that are too complicated to go into. It also could've been Ben, Locke or Sawyer, but my money's on Michael.
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To Starr: Too complicated to go into? What are we idiots? Or do you just not want to spend a half hour typing it?
I'm curious.
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The Molly Theory:
We think Locke killed Naomi with his knife because "Jacob" (Walt in this case) told him too. When Locke first met "Jacob" it was actually future Jack telling Locke to "help me." Beard and all. The Jack/Jacob was trying to tell Locke to convince island/current Jack that he shouldn't leave. That's why he didn't harm Jack, but killed Naomi. Naomi's people are probably bad as future Jack would know.
In the flash forward, Jack totally wants to get back to the island and others (like Kate) have accepted that's not possible and moved on. It seems like when they returned it was before the flight even took off or something - maybe before his dad died and maybe jack was able to keep him from going to Australia. Jack's ex-wife didn't seem sympathetic to his drinking. I mean if I had a friend who was "lost" on an Island for 80+ days from a plane crash, I'd understand if my friend had a bit of a drinking problem. I'd try to help, not be an ass about it. Plus Jack was being called a hero for the car wreck and no mention of saving 20+ survivors from a plane wreck in the middle of the ocean.
I don't know. Something to think about...
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"It seems like when they returned it was before the flight even took off or something - maybe before his dad died and maybe jack was able to keep him from going to Australia...Plus Jack was being called a hero for the car wreck and no mention of saving 20+ survivors from a plane wreck in the middle of the ocean."
But why were they all given "golden passes" then? Sounded to me like Jack was referring to unlimited flights to anywhere. I think the crash happened and they were rescued. Other than that, I have no idea and don't want to know until the new season starts. I'm just glad Lost turned things around after that horrible start to the season. The writers of 24 should take some notes.
Oh, I don't know who mentioned it, but yeah, Walt looked like he was in his early 20's or something. That's a lot of aging for 90 days.
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Perhaps, in next season, the island scenes will be flashbacks, and what we're calling flash-forwards now will just be present day. They ran out of back-stories to tell in their flashbacks, so it kind of makes sense... it could work like "The Nine" initially did.
Bentham is the name of a late 18th/early 19th century philospher who invented the Panopticon prison design, which allowed the guards to observe the prisoners, without them knowing - as Bentham put it "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind..."
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Adamdoesn't Jack or someone else make a reference to being a hero twice. I'm absolutely certain I heard this I just forget who.
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How cathartic was it watching Jack beat the hell out of Ben? This show makes me violent.
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Kyle: Just didn't want to spend all the time typing it out, maybe another day.
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maTT: the doctor treating Jack mentioned him being a hero "twice over" so your right about that, its clearly after the crash, ditto w/ the "golden passes"
as for the man/woman in the casket: when Jack read the obituary he immediately called Kate and said "i heard" just before hopping on the bridge ledge, so who is it that would concern Kate so? but somehow she wouldnt show up?
maybe once they're off the island Death picks them off one by one, for transgressing their destiny.... or is that too Final Destination?
in any case, cheers to the writers for coming up with a reinvigorating new device.
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Kate has to get back to Ben otherwise "he'll be wondering where I am". Kate was the little girl in the Ben flashback. Which is why he made her dress up and have dinner with him on the beach.
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Dharma would kill everyone on the island because they found out about the "purge." They assume everyone living on the island are the hostiles that killed their people.
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does anybody know what kind of sunglasses Jack was wearing?
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I'm not even going to try to come up with a real theory, because too many new twists always happen and ruin mine. ;)
A note on Ben (again) -- if you compare to the Bible, Benjamin was Jacob's youngest son, also his mother died while giving birth to him. Coincidence?
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You know who else (essentially) killed their mom after giving birth to him? Jean-Baptiste Grenouille, the protagonist in Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice."
Cobain based the song on Patrick Suskind's novel 'Perfume'.
Fitting that a song from 'In Utero' makes it on 'Lost', considering how both seem so fascinated with childbirth and babies.
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go to lostpedia.com
put 'jacob' in the search engine
someone freeze framed jacob in the dark in the episode before the finale, and it seems to be locke with long hair
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The name of the person on the newspaper clipping began with J, so it was James (Sawyer), John Locke, Julette or someone we don't know.
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I'm guessing it's John Locke's funeral and he killed himself because he couldn't live not being on the island. Possibly became crippled again when they got back to earth. No one came because they all would clearly be angry at him for trying to stop them leaving. Jack would have been driven to suicide at learning this news because he was the one that took them off the island against Locke's wishes so would feel the guilt of that decision - hence bridge jumping and oxy popping...
Only thing not clear is teenage son reference in Obit but who says that's a real piece of info anyway.
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Enough with the theories. Any one notice that flash forward/future/vision Jack is turning into Greg House? Awesome!
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All I got to say is, Lost made my brain explode all over the place.
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Thanks for the shoutout and posting my pic, Stereogum!!!
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To whoever suggested that Walt looked mid 20s, that's a bit of an overstatement. The actor is aging. Hence why he looked older in the season 2 finale (even though very little time had passed), and even older in this finale. Kids grow around this age of the teens. Look it up, I saw it somewhere. I believe that's part of why Walt was written out so early.
-M
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jack's father was dead in the airport. jack saw him and confirmed that he was dead. if jack's father was "rebirthed" when he hit the island, and walked away, then wouldn't we see him? and isn't that stretching it a bit? i think jack was just high. and no, i didn't interpret it that jack was talking about heaven. i would think that the first thing someone would think is "holy crap, jack's father is alive"...
at least jack and our guys have ben as a captive.
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I just had a thought... Michael and Walt are supposedly coming back season 4, or that's the idea. what if they were captured or taken in by the ship that's out there?
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am i the only one that didn't like the season finale? sayid's neck snapping was the only exciting part.
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Yeah, you're the only one.
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anyone else hoping that charlie somehow survives? though charlie probably believed that he had to die in order to make the rescue part of desmond's flash come true, it seemed to me there was ample opportunity for him to escape, and if that portal is big enough, maybe desmond can fish him out and get him to the surface to do cpr or something.
as you can see, i'm clearly only interested in theorizing as far as hour #1 of the next season.
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I'm thinking Charlie is definitely gone, if only because the actor wants to pursue new projects. Unless you count 'Party of Five' appearances (Jack) then Charlie ranks up there with the most popular screen time in Lost and Lord of the Rings. This might be his way out after three seasons.
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As long as Sawyer doesnt die in the next seasons I dont care. I didnt want charlie to die. but then again some people dont die on the island like that guy with one eye...=/
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Man, I am so freakin' glad that people's necks don't really snap as easily as they do on TV!
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Kate was driving a Volvo which translates into = she now has settled down, lives in the suburbs and is ready to become a soccer mom.
So that means she is NOT with Sawyer, he would never drive a Volvo.
She is NOT with Ben because he would never leave the island, even if they took him off, he would head right back. Same with Locke, he will never leave the island.
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so who wrote the prescription for jack's OXY if his dad is dead??? sure, he could've forged the signature i guess.. but that's retarded, because he could just steal the OXY from the hospital if he really needed it... his dad had to have written the prescription for Jack to get hookedon it in the first place...
anyone else think this is possible?
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really? you don't know who wrote the prescriptions?
jack wrote them himself... i'm pretty sure of that. he could have gotten them from hospital, yes, but he can write them himself too. it's not logical that the dad is alive.
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I think Jack's dad is alive, somehow, because no other explanation makes sense.
I like the theory of Sawyer in the casket, though I would hate to see him killed off. Sawyer would definitely want to get off the island (ulike Ben or Locke) and Kate would have good reason to be bitter towards him, especially if she has his child. They could very well have some sort of falling-out in the craziness of getting off the island. I guess we'll learn more in a few weeks. Can't wait.
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Also, how far in the future are they? If it's several years ahead, then Kate could have Sawyer's teenage boy at home. ("He'll be wondering where I am . . ")
AND isn't Jack's ex-wife pregnant with Jack's dad's baby? Wasn't there some reference to her being with Jack's dad?
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