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June 10, 2008

Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III Is So Good, You Guys

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And you heard it here (not-even-close-to) first. But I couldn't wait anymore for a video or a whatever to babble about it. For all the goodness the leak cycle's been springing of late, it's Lil Wayne's latest that's on endless loop in my player, and in my head when the phones aren't plugged. In today's NY Times, Jon Pareles says "Tha Carter III is Lil Wayne's determined push into pop," and nobody that's taken a spin through III is arguing. The wordplay runs deep -- you can throw darts blind at a lyric sheet and never miss a line worth quoting. From "Mr. Carter":

Man, I got Summer hating on me cause I'm hotter than the sun / Got Spring hating on me cause I ain't never sprung / Winter hating on me cause I'm colder than ya'll / And I would never, I would never, I would never Fall / I'm being hated on by the season / So fuck ya'll who hating for no reason

Right. See also: any song on the album, the endless disses ("you're like a bitch with no ass, you ain't got shit"), the boasts, the disillusionment with the state of the art (e.g. "Dr. Carter"). He's funny, he's pop-cult savvy, and he's getting emotional ("But I wear my heart on my sleeve like it's the new fashion"). The beats are silly good, too, and to underscore Pareles's point, there are more tracks to contend for Summer Jam status on just the album's first half (which I can't barely even get beyond, they're so repeatable) than the rest of the pop field combined. Thank the producers -- everyone from Kanye ("Comfortable," which has a croony Babyface hook, and the gospel-y "Let The Beat Build") to Just Blaze (sped up vocal sample style on "Mr. Carter") to Swizz Beatz (the already mentioned, awesome, game-assessing skit-song "Dr. Carter" -- see Fluxblog for more on that one).

Jay-Z's on board, sorta. "Mr. Carter" is the torch-passing song, in which Sean gives it on, to Dwayne, in a guest verse or two ("Young Carter go farther, go further, go harder. Is that not why we came? And if not, then why bother?"), and then Lil Wayne insists (like he does) "next time you mention Pac, Biggie, and Jay-Z don't forget Weezy, baby." Which may seem like an act of humility from Hov, but where Weezy's got "A Milli," Jigga's got, like, "A Billi." Naturally.

Anyway, you can hear most of Tha Carter III here. I tried doing this on Gabe's Videogum post but it didn't really take, so we can do it here: If you have a favorite line from III, post it. I just wanna see how quickly we wind up transcribing the entire album.

Posted at 5:22 PM by amrit
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abracadabra, I'm up like Viagra

Posted by: wordupagain at 06/10/08 7:14 PM  | Reply
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fuck all y'all who think lil wayne is wack. He is the best rapper alive. So fuck all y'all bitches who's haters and aint gon get no where in life cause you a muther fuckin hater. Y'all listen to his music and shit and then repeat that shit. And now y'all bitches wanna hate on nigga. Shid don't get mad cause he doing his thang and he's succeeded and life. So for all my haters FUCK Y"ALL BITCHES

Posted by: SWEETCHERRIES  in reply to wordupagain's comment at 06/17/08 11:51 AM  | Reply
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People need to stop with all this "it's a classic!/it's the biggest disappointment ever!" nonsense. Tha Carter III is one of the most entertaining hip-hop records in years, and if it doesn't crown Lil Wayne as the king of the genre (or the "best rapper alive"), it will undoubtedly be rattling out of speakers all summer long. It's not a classic, but it also just came out - how can something be considered a classic unless time has had an opportunity to act on it?

Best Track: "Dr. Carter", by far.

Arthritis in my hand from writing.
But I'm a doctor they don't understand my writing.
So I stop writing.
Now I'm like lightning.
And you ain't Fish Young so don't clash with the Titans.
Fast and exciting.
My passion is frightening.
Now let me put some more vocab in your I.V.
Here take this Vicodin
Like it and love it
and confidence has no budget so pay me no mind
I don't walk like I talk it cause I'm running
I don't do it cause I done it and I'm in the emergency punnet (?)

Posted by: vlad at 06/10/08 7:16 PM  | Reply
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I think this album is a big peice of shit, I think weezy is a retard with mediocre punchlines and an overly intoxicated, not intoxicating flow. I think the album art is affending, that he would even have the balls to put a babys face on his album in refrence to such monumental and incredible works like "Ready to Die", and "illmatic". Those albums are ridiculous, you guys should listen to them sometime, cuz you've obviously never heard em if your hypin up this over post produced, glammed out, ghetto fab garbage. Fuck Weezy, I don't know the guy personally but fuck 'em his sucess should only be credited to the current dumbing down of america, you people are programmed to like this retarted non-sense, can't you see? "Tha Carter lll" should just drop the same night as the next seaon premiere of American Idol. I'm sure you love that shit too.

Posted by: Caso  in reply to vlad's comment at 06/12/08 6:01 PM  | Reply
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Why do so many people hate on this young man? He game from the gutter and now has made something of his self. He raps about what he knows and if you don’t like it then don’t listen to it. We are in America and have the write to freedom of speech. We have so much negativity in the world. I’ve never seen so many haters in my life. Again if you don’t like his lyrics, or comprehend what he is saying then don’t listen. Change the station. People may not like the way you do your job, but you are still doing it (that is if you have a job). Give him a break; he is not on the street corner poisoning our communities with drugs.

Posted by: Black  in reply to Caso's comment at 06/12/08 6:51 PM  | Reply
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Well said.

Posted by: jackie  in reply to Caso's comment at 06/18/08 11:43 AM  | Reply
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Boy I got so many girls like I'm Michael Lowry
Even Gwen Stefani said she couldn't doubt me

Posted by: james bean at 06/10/08 7:29 PM  | Reply
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Flow so sick make u wanna throw ya food up/Ice water chest and my wrist like a pool cup/2 twin snipers I give ya ass a crew cut

Posted by: tbone at 06/10/08 7:45 PM  | Reply
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"Safe sex is great sex
Better wear a latex
Cuz you dont want that late text
that "I think I'm late" text
So wrap it up
but but he so sweet,
she wanna lick the rapper "

Posted by: Coop at 06/10/08 8:08 PM  | Reply
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A very honorable message to young people, Lil Wayne. Who needs sex ed in the 5th grade? just give um a Lil Wayne record. He's a clever SOB. This track rocks.

Posted by: Robert  in reply to Coop's comment at 06/11/08 11:06 PM  | Reply
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hi
lil wayne is horrible. if you like ANY of his music, you suck at life. horribly. okay

Posted by: joe at 06/10/08 8:18 PM  | Reply
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Lil Wayne can suck my cock. He sucks. A LOT. This album has a fucking horrible cover and is horribly overrated album.

Posted by: Evan at 06/10/08 8:37 PM  | Reply
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no brake lights on my car-rear/career

Posted by: johnnn at 06/10/08 9:32 PM  | Reply
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Other things Joe and Evan hate: sunshine, fun, music, laughter. Please go off somewhere and die.

Posted by: Shea at 06/10/08 9:38 PM  | Reply
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or just die. simply.

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to Shea's comment at 06/10/08 11:10 PM  | Reply
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it fast and easy

Posted by: taye at 06/10/08 9:58 PM  | Reply
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worst album of the year, hands down. fucking horrible.

Posted by: spencer at 06/10/08 10:05 PM  | Reply
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Yeah, to the left to the left
If you wanna leave be my guest, you can step
Feeling Irreplacable listen to Beyonce
But ok ill put you out on your Bday

Posted by: sean smarter at 06/10/08 10:30 PM  | Reply
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"wayne quit"

Posted by: k profile link at 06/10/08 11:11 PM  | Reply
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1. It's Vince Young not Fish Young. I'm in the Emergency On It, not punnet.
2. It's Cool Cup not Pool Cup. 2 twin "clip"pers, not snipers. (Guns have "clips")


My favorite bar is easily the one the author quoted.

" Man I got summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun, got Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung, Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than ya'll, and I would never, I would never, I would never Fall. I'm being hated by the seasons, so Fuck ya'll who hatin' for no reason.

Posted by: david at 06/10/08 11:18 PM  | Reply
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PHONE HOME!

can't go wrong in my book w. an E.T. reference!

Posted by: david at 06/10/08 11:22 PM  | Reply
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Ima venereal disease like a menstrual bleed..

Posted by: jkkjk at 06/10/08 11:31 PM  | Reply
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"Taste my words/Swallow my thoughts/and if it's too nasty, spit it back at me."

Posted by: Thor at 06/10/08 11:52 PM  | Reply
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Album of the year without a doubt, this thing is incredible!!!

"I don't have a spine
I don't fantasize
I just mastermind
Then go after mine
you see I handle mine
I dismantle mine
I told a tool box bitch its hammertime!!!"

Posted by: Cale at 06/11/08 12:02 AM  | Reply
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my favorite parts are when he experiments with cadence.. i dont have my cd next to me right now but i think i can approximate my two favorites:

"in the wave pool, at blue bayou, and i waved, fool, as i blew by you."

"i get bread like cold cuts, you know what, your girl go down and never go up"

Posted by: nick at 06/11/08 12:32 AM  | Reply
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I aint kind hot I'm sauna
I sweat money and the bank is my shower
Haha and that pistol is my towel
Ha so stop sweatin me coward

sick

Posted by: joseph at 06/11/08 12:35 AM  | Reply
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"And I would never, I would never, I would never Fall"

What a cadence. I just love the guttural urgency in this line. Especially the way the rhyme just weaves around the beat.

This is unquestionably Wayne's transcendent moment on the album. The acknowledgment of his arrival as THE best rapper alive (sorry Kanye) and the man charged with the unenviable task of saving an art form.

Posted by: Sean at 06/11/08 12:39 AM  | Reply
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"And I would never, I would never, I would never Fall"

What a cadence. I just love the guttural urgency in this line. Especially the way the rhyme just weaves around the beat.

This is unquestionably Wayne's transcendent moment on the album. The acknowledgment of his arrival as THE best rapper alive (sorry Kanye) and the man charged with the unenviable task of saving an art form.

Posted by: Tom Breihan at 06/11/08 12:39 AM  | Reply
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I'm trying hard to get into it. Will give it another shot, I guess.

Posted by: mark at 06/11/08 12:42 AM  | Reply
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"And I would never, I would never, I would never Fall"

What a cadence. I just love the guttural urgency in this line. Especially the way the rhyme just weaves around the beat.

This is unquestionably Wayne's transcendent moment on the album. The acknowledgment of his arrival as THE best rapper alive (sorry Kanye) and the man charged with the unenviable task of saving an art form.

Posted by: Tom Breihan at 06/11/08 12:42 AM  | Reply
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This one gets me every time:

"I don't O U like two vowels."

Is there any other mainstream rapper turning the English language into his personal plaything like that these days? Cause if there is, I haven't seen him.

Posted by: vlad at 06/11/08 1:06 AM  | Reply
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"Blame Oliver North and Iran Contra /
I ran contraband that sponsored /
Before this rhyming shit, we was in concert."
- "Blue Magic", Jay-Z

I'd say Jay-Z has the whole wordplay thing down even better, honestly.

Posted by: ethan  in reply to vlad's comment at 06/11/08 3:46 PM  | Reply
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still think wayne is WAAAAAAY overrated. i enjoy the album, but it certainly isn't "hell hath no fury," but what is? anyhow... personal favorite (from "a milli"):

"a million here
a million there
sicilian bitch with long hair
with coconut derriere
i'm like smoking the thinnest air
i open the lamborghini
hoping them crackers see me
like 'look at that bastard weezy'"

Posted by: glass_family at 06/11/08 2:26 AM  | Reply
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when I popped "A Milli" into my 96 Lumina - I had no idea the audio system had it in her!

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to glass_family's comment at 06/11/08 10:55 AM  | Reply
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"As I hit the kill switch, now that's how you let the beat build, biiiiiitch!"

Who says it better?

Posted by: F Baby at 06/11/08 3:38 AM  | Reply
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I don't really care about the content of the record. The cover alone makes it one of the greatest albums of all time.

Posted by: The Other Matthew profile link at 06/11/08 3:45 AM  | Reply
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You guys are into it because of the irony, right? Because I'd be worried if you actually enjoyed it for artistic reasons.

Posted by: Zachra at 06/11/08 8:35 AM  | Reply
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lil wayne fans you are all dumb as fucking hell, and i hope each of you realize that you dont know hip hop let alone good music. Given this guy has improved since he first dropped i will never support his album his songs his verses....he is the reason i dread hip hop now, the reason i dont listen to radio stations, the reason why real artists like myself cant express the art in the form it was really intended. But i guess to all you im just a hater right? well i hate the fact that people with no talent get on and people with more talent than lil wayne could ever possess in three different lifetimes dont. Dont make sense to me, but im a hater right>?

Posted by: ANonymous at 06/11/08 9:14 AM  | Reply
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not a hater, just someone with no concept of what "talent" or "real artist" means.

Posted by: h8r aide  in reply to ANonymous's comment at 06/11/08 10:32 AM  | Reply
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'scribe yr name, casper!!

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to ANonymous's comment at 06/11/08 12:43 PM  | Reply
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"like I'm from College Park, but I'm from Holly Grove/now all my blood screams sup-woop & da-da-doe"

Posted by: msg6v profile link at 06/11/08 9:47 AM  | Reply
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..and that Atlanta Hawks reference sounding spot-on with Outkast gets me e'ry time.

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to msg6v's comment at 06/11/08 1:03 PM  | Reply
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Tha Carter III is damn good and if you keep in mind the 5 tracks from The Leak earlier this year I think it makes a pretty amazing overall body of work. Wayne is easily top-5.

Posted by: msg6v profile link at 06/11/08 9:51 AM  | Reply
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damn i hate a shy bitch / don't you hate a shy bitch? / yeah, i ate a shy bitch / she ain't shy no more / she changed her name to my bitch.

unhhh.

Posted by: ben at 06/11/08 10:29 AM  | Reply
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Nigga sumthin sumthin, I got a rash and I ain't frontin/whip a haiku out don't know what that means/but nigga feelin black when I open dem jeans

Posted by: Skip at 06/11/08 11:06 AM  | Reply
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I love you Wayne, you can do me any day, we'l have great sex and you can wrap it up in a latex but you're so sweet i wanna lick the rapper. you're the greatest and i dont care what punks think. in your famous words, 'fuck ya'll for hatin for no reason'!

Posted by: Whitney at 06/11/08 11:22 AM  | Reply
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every fucking line of it. although, these two would have to be my favorite so far:

and I’d rather be pushing flowers,
than to be in the penn sharing showers

and

"and you ain't vince young so don't clash with the titans." (always nice to hear your team and franchise qb get a shoutout on the hottest joint of the summer.)

weezy baby!!!!

Posted by: nick at 06/11/08 11:23 AM  | Reply
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The other day, my cousin Brandy summed up why people like Lil Wayne in the best way I've heard in a long time. This is a quote from her:
"He's one of us. He wants to do what he's good at, which is rapping, and smoke. I want to do what I'm good at, which is styling hair, and smoke. That's about it. He has crazy hair and a slew of tattoos and so do I. It's like looking in a mirror when I hear him rap. He knows what's going on in this generation, because he is this generation and his listeners and living it right along with him."

Posted by: Ciara at 06/11/08 12:18 PM  | Reply
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I tell the novice that he's an Optimo blend of Kool Keith ['Black Elvis / Lost in Space'-era] and Jimi Hendrix's LSD-laced sweatband.

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to Ciara's comment at 06/11/08 12:39 PM  | Reply
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He so sweet shorty wanna like the rapper!!!! dont hate on weezy the kid is sick thats why haters are throwing up.

Posted by: Khabane at 06/11/08 12:23 PM  | Reply
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unless this is a joke, this new fad of hipsters enjoying gangsta rap for its percieved glamour or irony is pretty racist, in my opinion. and metaphor raps were played out in 1995 - when most of you think hip-hop was created. go back to liking pavement and weezer, please.

Posted by: jerk at 06/11/08 12:41 PM  | Reply
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He's trying to reach you. There's no irony here.

'Jon Pareles says "Tha Carter III is Lil Wayne's determined push into pop," and nobody that's taken a spin through III is arguing.'

Posted by: chr  in reply to jerk's comment at 06/11/08 12:57 PM  | Reply
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do YOU hate Al Sharpton as much as weeeeezy, jerk?

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to jerk's comment at 06/11/08 1:02 PM  | Reply
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osh-kosh-bgosh posh spice husband couldn't kick it like i kick it

Posted by: chr at 06/11/08 12:49 PM  | Reply
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lil wayne sucks dick sorry fellas he has no flow, is retarded, and has horrible beats. sucka dick fellas

Posted by: joe at 06/11/08 1:13 PM  | Reply
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I HONESTLY HAVE ALOT OF FAVORITE LINES IN EACH SONG ND THERE ALMOST ALL LISTED ON HERE BUT THE ONE THAT STUCK WITH ME IS WHEN HE SAYS..../"FUCK ME IM ALL ABOUT WE LIKE PARIS"/ON TRACK # 13......LMAO THATS GENIUS BEING SAID THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS CRITICIZE WAYNE BUY SAYING HE CANT RAP ABOUT ANYTHIN BUT HIMSELF HE PROVED U WRONG ONCE AGIAN WITH THAT LINE SO KEEP HATIN ON HIM..

Posted by: KILO aka DA WHIZ KID at 06/11/08 1:26 PM  | Reply
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I never thought about CAPS LOCK REPLIES before.

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to KILO aka DA WHIZ KID's comment at 06/11/08 1:39 PM  | Reply
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SG, you've been hustled hard. But I think that was the intention. This album kicks.

Posted by: DS48 at 06/11/08 1:41 PM  | Reply
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u look so cute';';;';';';';';';';';';';';';';';';';';'

Posted by: neshia at 06/11/08 1:52 PM  | Reply
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I love how inexplicably the at best decent rapper Lil Wayne has become every non-hip hop lover's favorite rapper, endorsed by hipsters and other people that are under-educated on the genre

Posted by: wes at 06/11/08 2:17 PM  | Reply
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Agreed... and I thought Clipse were overrated.

Posted by: Geoff  in reply to wes's comment at 06/11/08 7:31 PM  | Reply
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I'm convinced this is an experiment and inside joke by Pitchfork to see if they can get hipsters to listen to anything if they give it a lot of hype. Point is, this is stupid, ridiculous music, and I don't really see why people are praising it. I mean, have you heard that Lollipop song? Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Sean Jean at 06/11/08 2:35 PM  | Reply
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what does prickfork™ have to do with any of this.. ?

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to Sean Jean's comment at 06/11/08 2:52 PM  | Reply
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totallllly agreed. the more you mention pitchfork the more famous and obnoxious you make them.

Posted by: tbone  in reply to k's comment at 06/14/08 4:35 AM  | Reply
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i'm sayin' - it's the whole buckwheat/aunt jemima/blackface complex recycled. pop culture looooves them some shuckin' & jivin'. and record labels know this. it's all good if lil wayne's demographic supports him, but when college kids are finding it entertaining and charming because of its irony, i can't help but want to vomit. "LIKE, OMG the beat is SO HOT! And DID YOU SEE HIS BLING!?" meanwhile they're still using the N word in private conversations.

Posted by: jerk at 06/11/08 2:48 PM  | Reply
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Ack, Stereogum! You got Hip Hop message board all over my white boy strums site! I'm usually here to avoid these silly Weezy arguments that wreck the Hip Hop forums.

It's just Weezy, take him or leave him. The hype about how great he is is obviously overblown, but he's better than some others. Middle of the road.

I'll say this, though, if you don't consider yourself a Hip Hop head (and you would know if you were), then stay away from proclamations about how he's the greatest rapper ever. You're making yourselves look silly. And qualifying a statement like that by comparing him to Kanye West is extremely fucking laughable. Even hardcore Kanye fanboys pretty much agree that he's a terrible rapper. His skill is in his beats.

I know the first rap album that touches you seems like a magical experience, but don't forget that the music has been going on for almost 30 years now. Just because you never liked it before doesn't mean that no one in the past has ever been any good at it. Check your egos, please. There's enough of that already in Hip Hop.

Posted by: Huph profile link at 06/11/08 3:23 PM  | Reply
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Three Feet High and Rising.

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to Huph's comment at 06/11/08 4:08 PM  | Reply
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Honestly dude, 10 lame comments? You're trying a little too hard. Go play outside or something.

Posted by: The Police  in reply to k's comment at 06/11/08 4:46 PM  | Reply
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Actually I am a hip head, and I think Weezy F. Baby is the best ever!! He is much better than Common, and Mf Doom, two of my favorites.. Better than Nas and Ghostface who are one dimensional but also favorites of mine!! Way better than 2 pac who was terrible and is the most overatted rapper in the history of the world!! As for Biggie and Jay Z, he's better than them two, both unreal mc's, but neither were ever willing to let loose the way Weezy does and pretty much say whatever he wants in whatever voice, speed, or impression that he wants.....

I think he's jjust hard for hip hop heads to like, because he's one of the only top tier mc's that has no real concern with saying something positive for the "kids". But As far as Lyrical wordplay goes, he is really on anther level than everyone in the genre, or everyone is music really.

Posted by: Avey at 06/11/08 4:18 PM  | Reply
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i really hope this post was a joke to get people like me riled up. to say that weezy is better than nas and MF DOOM is completely absurd, they've been consistent and innovative for years, not just one or two albums worth. but anyway, lil wayne's positioning was brilliant, not his music. think about it, he seperated himself from club shit by actually making his rhymes more complex and at times clever, so he can't be compared with the mindless stuff that comes from guys like akon and fifty. But, he keeps it accesible with good, but fairly common samples and remixes, so it's not too underground to be heard by both hip hop and rock or indie fans alike. So in that sense, Weezy is absolutely brilliant because he's getting respect from all over the music world without losing any valuable weed money. However, just by reading people's favorite lines on this board, he's not doing anything out of this world. He uses some clever word play (some of it really just isn't) and has a solid flow. But there has been and there still are better rappers out there.

Posted by: edgar allen bro  in reply to Avey's comment at 06/12/08 9:41 AM  | Reply
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"Way better than 2 pac who was terrible and is the most overatted rapper in the history of the world!!"

what bitch! no b.s. u can die for that reckless shit! tupac made music that lives forever and is the world's favorite rapper, go to africa, south america, china, russia anywhere people are going thru real struggle and tupac is the NO.1 rapper. you better check your soft ice cream ass before u talk sh-t about any of those rappers you named..but TUPAC LIVED HIS SHIT BITCH!! u aint living nothin which is why you like cartoon ass rappers. tupac would slap the sh-t out of any of those rappers u named except BIG but they already took it there so u know how real they are. every rapper after TUPAC & BIGGIE IS A FAKE FUCK WANNABE, INCLUDING JAY-Z!! learn some history ho!

Posted by: westcoastisworldwide!!!!!  in reply to Avey's comment at 06/14/08 4:11 AM  | Reply
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Anyways yall, this is hot. The most creative, conceptual rap record since RedMan. Don't expect the typical weezy here... expect the same crazy rhymes of Lil Wyane but with the clever song themes of Eminem.

Still.... A Milli, the only song like his mixtape stuff is the best on the album.

Posted by: Roger Erwinway at 06/11/08 4:41 PM  | Reply
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Fucking awful. Retards shouldn't be allowed to rap, sing, act or do anything but stay chained in the basement. You seriously have the intelligence of a cum stain if you think this is good hip-hop, rap or even music. Have fun at your day job mongoloids.

Posted by: dadsgravy at 06/11/08 6:12 PM  | Reply
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I'd be willing to debate the intelligence of a cum stain - just need a touch more information, such as the size [standard 10cc..?] and freshness of said nectar.

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to dadsgravy's comment at 06/11/08 7:30 PM  | Reply
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K, you've really got to chill it on the commenting...or become more clever.

one or the other, man.

im just surprised people are still into that grossly overrated clipse album.

Posted by: nick at 06/11/08 9:10 PM  | Reply
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lowercase k, dick.

Posted by: k profile link  in reply to nick's comment at 06/11/08 10:53 PM  | Reply
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Still here. Still pathetic.

Posted by: Beetlebum  in reply to k's comment at 06/12/08 12:06 PM  | Reply
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earthquake, anyone?

Posted by: ElliotP profile link at 06/11/08 9:11 PM  | Reply
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"you say tomato, i say tomato. you say get em, i say i got em"

Posted by: glitch at 06/11/08 9:52 PM  | Reply
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If I'm white, why am I only allowed to enjoy this ironically? Am I not allowed to enjoy it any other way than ironically? Am I not smart/hip/street/down/hood enough to understand the record? Or is the record not smart/hip/street/down/hood enough for me? That sounds more racist than anything I would use to describe it when I talk about it.

What I think is more important (whether the record is the best of the year, best ever, who cares) is that an artist who releases free downloadable mix tapes sporadically throughout the last few years still manages to command the interest of listeners and critics and remains commercially viable. With people either listening to leaked records, or only purchasing music for the ring tones, I think the hip hop genre especially has taken some tough blows in recent years, and Weezy has found a formula that discredits all of those detractors and still comes out on top.

But this article is on the second page already, so I doubt anybody is even going to read this

Posted by: barry at 06/11/08 9:56 PM  | Reply
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"Am I not allowed to enjoy it any other way than ironically?"

No. More like if you enjoy it, then you have bad taste in music. That doesn't sound racist at all.

Posted by: Geoff  in reply to barry's comment at 06/12/08 5:41 AM  | Reply
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i read it and your a dumb bitch!1!

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i read it and yur a dumb bitch!1!

Posted by: westcoastisworldwide  in reply to barry's comment at 06/14/08 4:12 AM  | Reply
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For all of those people out there sayin you dont like lil wayne or he's a horrible artist, dont just listen to the music, listen to the words of lil wayne. If you actually take the time to listen to him he has the sickest shit ever. Id like to see one of you so called rap artists do what weezy does

Posted by: Marc at 06/11/08 11:58 PM  | Reply
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NEW YORK (AP) — The excessive leaks and bootlegging of Lil Wayne's new album haven't prevented it from being a hot seller: The rapper's "Tha Carter III" sold 423,000 copies in its first day of release, according to Billboard magazine, citing figures from Nielsen SoundScan.

Posted by: Dewayne at 06/12/08 12:19 AM  | Reply
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I'm sure this hyping of Lil Wayne (A UMG artist) has nothing to do with UMG's 25mill investment in Buzznet (owners of Stereogum), right guys? Right?

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/04/universal-music.html

Posted by: Mark profile link at 06/12/08 6:28 AM  | Reply
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flyer than beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice

Posted by: xpab at 06/12/08 11:46 AM  | Reply
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bitch i'm the bomb like tick tock.

Posted by: red red whine at 06/12/08 4:07 PM  | Reply
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I think this album is a big peice of shit, I think weezy is a retard with mediocre punchlines and an overly intoxicated, not intoxicating flow. I think the album art is affending, that he would even have the balls to put a babys face on his album in refrence to such monumental and incredible works like "Ready to Die", and "illmatic". Those albums are ridiculous, you guys should listen to them sometime, cuz you've obviously never heard em if your hypin up this over post produced, glammed out, ghetto fab garbage. Fuck Weezy, I don't know the guy personally but fuck 'em his sucess should only be credited to the current dumbing down of america, you people are programmed to like this retarted non-sense, can't you see? "Tha Carter lll" should just drop the same night as the next seaon premiere of American Idol. I'm sure you love that shit too. My apologies to biggy for this mess he's probably turnin in his fucking grave.

Posted by: Caso at 06/12/08 5:59 PM  | Reply
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I think this album is a big peice of shit, I think weezy is a retard with mediocre punchlines and an overly intoxicated, not intoxicating flow. I think the album art is affending, that he would even have the balls to put a babys face on his album in refrence to such monumental and incredible works like "Ready to Die", and "illmatic". Those albums are ridiculous, you guys should listen to them sometime, cuz you've obviously never heard em if your hypin up this over post produced, glammed out, ghetto fab garbage. Fuck Weezy, I don't know the guy personally but fuck 'em his sucess should only be credited to the current dumbing down of america, you people are programmed to like this retarted non-sense, can't you see? "Tha Carter lll" should just drop the same night as the next seaon premiere of American Idol. I'm sure you love that shit too. My apologies to biggy for this mess he's probably turnin in his fucking grave.

Posted by: Caso at 06/12/08 5:59 PM  | Reply
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Once Lil' Wayne finally becomes "Wayne" and stops singing about sex and all of that bullshit to children, then he might find a spot onto my i-Pod. That's just theoretical and wishful thinking though: He'd still sing about doing girls from behind at age 50 is the kids still liked it.

Posted by: Someone Who Cares at 06/12/08 7:00 PM  | Reply
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Once Lil' Wayne finally becomes "Wayne" and stops singing about sex and all of that bullshit to children, then he might find a spot onto my i-Pod. That's just theoretical and wishful thinking though: He'd still sing about doing girls from behind at age 50 is the kids still liked it.

Posted by: Someone Who Cares at 06/12/08 7:01 PM  | Reply
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Once Lil' Wayne finally becomes "Wayne" and stops singing about sex and all of that bullshit to children, then he might find a spot onto my i-Pod. That's just theoretical and wishful thinking though: He'd still sing about doing girls from behind at age 50 is the kids still liked it.

Posted by: Someone Who Cares at 06/12/08 7:01 PM  | Reply
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Once Lil' Wayne finally becomes "Wayne" and stops singing about sex and all of that bullshit to children, then he might find a spot onto my i-Pod. That's just theoretical and wishful thinking though: He'd still sing about doing girls from behind at age 50 is the kids still liked it.

Posted by: Someone Who Cares at 06/12/08 7:01 PM  | Reply
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i think there is an echo in here

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Once Lil' Wayne finally becomes "Wayne" and stops singing about sex and all of that bullshit to children, then he might find a spot onto my i-Pod. That's just theoretical and wishful thinking though: He'd still sing about doing girls from behind at age 50 is the kids still liked it.

Posted by: Someone Who Cares at 06/12/08 7:01 PM  | Reply
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Once Lil' Wayne finally becomes "Wayne" and stops singing about sex and all of that bullshit to children, then he might find a spot onto my i-Pod. That's just theoretical and wishful thinking though: He'd still sing about doing girls from behind at age 50 is the kids still liked it.

Posted by: Someone Who Cares at 06/12/08 7:01 PM  | Reply
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Fuck everyone who can actually listen to this cheaply composed piece of shit. You all deserve to burn in hell with all of the niggers who can't rap (the niggers who can rap can stay, like Lupe Fiasco, Jay-Z, T.I., and Kanye West if we were back in 2005)..

Posted by: Lil Wayne Has Little Intelligence at 06/12/08 7:06 PM  | Reply
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You have as little intelligence as Lil' Wayne, racist idiot.

Posted by: Geoff  in reply to Lil Wayne Has Little Intelligence's comment at 06/12/08 7:14 PM  | Reply
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Fuck everyone who can actually listen to this cheaply composed piece of shit. You all deserve to burn in hell with all of the niggers who can't rap (the niggers who can rap can stay, like Lupe Fiasco, Jay-Z, T.I., and Kanye West if we were back in 2005)..

Posted by: Lil Wayne Has Little Intelligence at 06/12/08 7:06 PM  | Reply
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it's emergency UN-IT, he just pronounces unit stupid so it rhymes

i will agree 100% this is an addictively catchy pop album and it is filled with humourous lines and charisma, no doubting that

however, the people who think weezy is the best rapper alive are people who dont actually listen to rap seriously. His lines are easy to get and never over the average music listener, so they feel like they are a part of something because they actually understand the lines,

true hip hop listeners are able to decipher ebonics, wordplay, multi-syllabics, cadence, obscure references, etc... from rappers of a much higher calibre than lil wayne, but atleast hes better than like...kanye...or young jeezy, so i guess im happy teeny bopper girls think hes this lyrical messiah

when youare done being fascinated by punch line rap, check out brother ali, atmosphere, aesop rock, etc...

Posted by: hip hop head at 06/13/08 3:16 AM  | Reply
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ha - all ya'll haters need a stiff dick in yr ass.

Posted by: itsoweezze  in reply to hip hop head's comment at 06/13/08 8:26 AM  | Reply
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one last comment =

"RAP IS NOT POP, IF YOU CALL IT THAT THEN STOP"

and if you don't know who said that
you'd better RECOGNIZE and realize that
TUPAC did not invent rapping.

Posted by: jerk at 06/13/08 3:44 PM  | Reply
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This thread equals "meatloaf and look-a-like kid commercial" in terms of me wanting to destroy my computer.

Posted by: devo profile link at 06/13/08 3:54 PM  | Reply
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I am a goat
In a boat
With a moat

Posted by: Diamanda Galas at 06/13/08 7:35 PM  | Reply
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Am I the only one who thinks that the indie blogosphere's adoration of Lil Wayne is some elaborate practical joke?

Posted by: Ford at 06/14/08 1:10 AM  | Reply
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Lol, isn't it?
I always took it as irony, too.

Posted by: Kevin  in reply to Ford's comment at 06/15/08 3:04 PM  | Reply
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we're all a bunch of hypocrites if we go around telling people that they're cum stains(?) because they can enjoy mainstream music. it seems to me like biggie and jay-z were making hip-hop for a different generation. every artform has a golden age but you can't expect it all to last forever. even the fucking italian renaissance had it's decay so just chill out.

Posted by: tbone at 06/14/08 4:43 AM  | Reply
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HA HA HE GOT ALL YALL HATIN ASS MUTHAFUCKA ON TIP!! YALL BITCHES TOOK THE TIME TO LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC AND NOW YALL HOES WANNA COMPLAIN?? WELL GUESS WHAT THIS CD IS FOR U!!!!!!!LOLOLOL BROKE ASS LAMES

Posted by: FUCK U HATERS!! at 06/14/08 7:58 PM  | Reply
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AND ITS SO FUNNY TO WATCH ALL YALL TRY TO SPIT A BAR!! YALL DONT LIKE HIS MUSIC BUT YALL REPEATIN HIS SHIT!! YA SEE WHAT HATIN CAN DO TO YA!! DEEP DOWN ALL YALL WEEZY FANS!!!

Posted by: FUCK U HATERS at 06/14/08 8:02 PM  | Reply
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"i spray my load in ya face
like a new can of mace
then out da back door
with the rest of yo fish"

now i'm going to quote some lil wayne lyrics!

Posted by: bektar the magnificent at 06/15/08 1:00 PM  | Reply
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Wayne is the best dead or alive no1 can nor will ever be better than this guy and who ever doesnt like him fuck ya u have to be pure stupid to not like him i dont listen to anything else and im a fuckin fanatic he is very intelligent and for those that dont like him its because yall dont understand him u assholes thought little wayne was weezy but weezy is wayne haha this guy is the illest cat ever and i love him and b4 i go i gotta let u kno that he is hip hop haha o yea and STOP HATIN on a nigga that is a weak emotion the lady of a nigga lmao u bastards dont kno musiq wayne is musiq he is a lyrical god haha my bad lol soowoop gotta go have a great day folks and recognize that he is the best biotch haha

Posted by: diamonddunn at 06/16/08 12:10 AM  | Reply
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I like his flow and vocab choices...uummmmm I hope that does not separate me from the masses. Yeah.. and yes.

Posted by: undifferent at 06/16/08 1:08 AM  | Reply
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Where did all these idiots come from. Is there some sort of Lil Wayne coalition that google him and comment on blog posts about him.

The album is alright. He never stays on topic though. He says alot but nevers says anything.

Posted by: Cunt Rocket Ship at 06/16/08 8:27 AM  | Reply
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im rare like mister clean with hair, the album is bad no question.

Posted by: bort at 06/16/08 11:17 AM  | Reply
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"...Fuck me I'm all about we like Paris-- Hilton persidential suite ready i'm richer than nicole and i'm a lion like her dad."

"... i can your brain for bargain like bought it from target. hip hop is my supermarket shopping cart full of fake hip hop artists."

"like some clap on light in this bitch, i'ma be clappin all nite in this bitch."

my over all fave is "FUCK Al Sharpton"

Posted by: supastar1day at 06/16/08 8:49 PM  | Reply
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Whoever thinks lil Wayne is intelligent is just as retarded as him. This man is fuckin Gay!! He dissed Jay Z and Nas. How can you fuckin do that when ur no where on their level. Half the time he makes no sense in his lyrics so how does that make him brillant. Hip Hop is truely dead and so are hip hop fans if yall think this Butt Plug is the best rapper.

Posted by: Twiggy at 06/17/08 4:54 AM  | Reply
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Love weezy's second verse in lollipop remix- here it is

"Shawty said she wanna lick the wrapper/ And she gonna lick the rapper/ And I just wanna act like a porno flickin actor/ I Anita Bake her now she caught up in a rapture/ I got so much chips/ I swear they call me Hewlett Packard/ I got so much chips/ You can have a bag if your a snacker/ Greedy motha fudge cake/ Now tell me how that fudge taste/ I do it for bloods sake/ Suwoop/ Think it's voodoo/ How the roof d-d-dissipate/ Your girl wants to participate/ She s-s-sophisticate/ Cuz his brains/ Is off the chain/ And then my diamonds are in the choir/ Cuz they sangin from off my chain/ And my Nina just joined the game/ Because/ All she do is bang/ Like Ricky Martin/ Wayne and Kanye pick your poison/ If that woman wanna cut/ Then tell her I am Mr. Ointment/ Tell her to make an appointment/ With Mr. I Can't Make An Appointment/ Take my lollipop and enjoy it!

I'd like to thank Dwayne Michael Carter Jr. aka Lil Wayne aka Lil Weezy aka Weezy aka Weezy F. Baby aka Lilweezyana aka Young Carter aka Young Money aka Young Money Cash Money aka Young Mula aka Birdman Jr. aka The Fireman aka THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE!

Posted by: Mike Rotch at 06/17/08 11:18 AM  | Reply
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"you guys" ? what are we, pals?

Posted by: spekman at 06/17/08 2:46 PM  | Reply
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I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY CHURCH IM GONE NEED A SUIT
IMMA NEED A COOP
IM GONE NEED A ROOF
FLYA THAN BEETLEJUICE, BEETLEJUICE, BEETLEJUICE

PURE DYNAMITE

Posted by: NEISH at 06/17/08 4:36 PM  | Reply
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it already sold ONE MILLION COPIES in ONE WEEK.
uh.
no comment.

Posted by: gaby profile link at 06/17/08 11:53 PM  | Reply
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I don't think you need to say anything else!

Posted by: Nadine profile link  in reply to gaby's comment at 06/18/08 2:11 PM  | Reply
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I am about to move and was cleaning out my room. I ran into a lot of old CD's packed in boxes from my youth (like 36 chambers, ready to die, etc.) and I've spent the last few days listening to them. I then put this C3 on and all I can say is it really bored me in comparison. Things really have gone down hill. The popularity of this album just shows how dead hip hop is artistically. Yeah, it may be the best hip hop album of the year, but thats like debating which of my shits smelled the best. I don't expect anyone under 26 to understand this since things have been bad for quite some time.

Posted by: Nylund at 06/18/08 1:23 AM  | Reply
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He must be doing something write because the last person who sold a million records was Justin Timberlake!!!

Posted by: Nadine at 06/18/08 2:04 PM  | Reply
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all this proves is that there are at least one million idiots in the world. possibly more.

Posted by: bazoom  in reply to Nadine's comment at 06/20/08 12:26 PM  | Reply
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Hmm..this board has got me thinking. I haven't been into hip-hop too long so what some of you guys are arguing about hipsters jumping onto the bandwagon and shit is sound reasoning. Still though, compared the other rappers out there that I've listened to, ones like Akon and Kanye come to mind, he is still, to me at least, one of the best crossover mainstream rappers out there. I know I'm not deep into the underground stuff, but to appease some of you who might criticize me for not knowing the genre I have done the research and listened to a lot of earlier stuff. If you guys feel like Weezy aint the best, drop a couple other MC's names you feel should hold that title, and I'd be glad to listen to it. O ya and 'Mr. Carter' and 'Shoot Me Down' are my faves so far.

Posted by: AndreH at 06/19/08 11:36 AM  | Reply
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Hmm..this board has got me thinking. I haven't been into hip-hop too long so what some of you guys are arguing about hipsters jumping onto the bandwagon and shit is sound reasoning. Still though, compared the other rappers out there that I've listened to, ones like Akon and Kanye come to mind, he is still, to me at least, one of the best crossover mainstream rappers out there. I know I'm not deep into the underground stuff, but to appease some of you who might criticize me for not knowing the genre I have done the research and listened to a lot of earlier stuff. If you guys feel like Weezy aint the best, drop a couple other MC's names you feel should hold that title, and I'd be glad to listen to it. O ya and 'Mr. Carter' and 'Shoot Me Down' are my faves so far.

Posted by: AndreH at 06/19/08 11:36 AM  | Reply
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PHONE HOOOOOMEEE LIL WEEZY PHONE HOME.

Posted by: Calliwell at 06/20/08 9:28 PM  | Reply
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Thankyou sweet cherries.... these haters need to relax, hating on lil wayne is pointless he is always gona b more fly than you and have more money jus relax and watch a Legend do his work...PEACE x

Posted by: Paula at 06/26/08 11:48 AM  | Reply
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I can't help but feel like there's always some deep-seeded component of racism in some of the more vehement criticisms of hip-hop.

Maybe it's just rock-centrism, but it's like there's an inability to recognize any amount of the complexity that goes into popular hip-hop. Yes, Weezy has certain pop sensibilities that may make him come off as playing too heavily to the mainstream (e.g., Lollipop). But, as some lines quoted above prove, he still manages to bury something really impressive even amongst a seemingly mindless club banger, not to mention the whole record. I think we just have to accept that there's going to be some stark dualities in this kind of music. And while it may not be obvious with many of the great mainstream artists, you can peel back the layer of pop to find some incredible artistic endeavors. So if you're on here screaming about how Wayne is on some dumbing-down-of-America simplistic shit... dig a little deeper.

Posted by: Derek at 07/03/08 2:26 PM  | Reply
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that last line in dr. carter is actually "i'm in the emergency unit" he pronounces "unit" different for the sake of rhyming...it's a play on words. it was just bothering me cuz i keep seeing people saying "emergency punnet" and "emergency on it."

Posted by: Ti at 08/05/08 4:35 PM  | Reply
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Please stop saying that Lil wayne is better than Tupac, Just go over all the things tupacs says and then lil wayne, Tupac talked about some of the same stuff, but there were other things he talked about to like, rape, society, rascism, poverty, etc.
Lil wayne talks about violence, and sex. Thats it. I love his music but i cant find anything inspirational like 2pac.

Posted by: Lil WayneORTupac at 09/27/08 4:10 PM  | Reply
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Stop making excuses for Lil Wayne. I'm tired of his court jester theatrics. Wearing skinny jeans, sounding like Smeagol, arbitrarily strumming guitar strings and the occasional alien reference doesn't make you special or eccentric. He's talented, yes. But that's it. The only thing remarkable about him his that he has somehow fooled most of you into believing he's some type of living legend. Again, he is talented. But the fact that you applaud him for his occasional brilliance and his many instances of nonsense alike is the problem. You just eat it up regardless. He is beyond reproach. Since when did over saturation and hit-or-miss consistency garner such praise? I just hope he doesn't die any time soon. His achievements (if any) will be blown out of proportion and his mythos even further embellished. I don’t hate him….yet. I hate your unconditional love and devotion to him. He is a collection of quotables and sound bytes. Where are the perfect verses, songs or albums? Forget perfect. He falls short of near perfect on a regular basis. Wayne has had some truly inspired moments, but not nearly enough to make him the preeminent MC. It’s sad really. You created this monster out of desperation. You needed a new bigger than life persona in hip hop. Nas is reclusive and only good for some angry Black man controversy every once in while. Eminem doesn’t seem to love rapping anymore. Jay-Z is far too wealthy and smug to be your poster boy any longer. 50 Cent’s shtick as the bullet riddled bully has lost its allure. Kanye’s penchant for hubris undermines his accomplishments. If anything, Wayne has turned to concept of the acceptable Blacky on its ear. He’s no Will Smith or Cuba Gooding,Jr. On the contrary, he’s dark-skinned and looks like the kind of ruffian that makes older women clutch their purses. He claims affiliation with the Bloods. Has tear drop tattoos on his caricature of a face. But he is utterly docile and unthreatening, a domesticated tiger that’s been declawed and defanged. I’m not sure if it is progressive or regressive that White America seems more inclined now more than ever to let someone that “looks” like Wayne into their homes. On a superficial level, he epitomizes the modern nigger. This paradigm shift is far more interesting any song he’s done or any dumb look on his face. At best, he should’ve been your guilty pleasure. But at some point you forgot that it was all kitsch. And instead of the novelty of Weezy being a legitimate artist wearing off, it seems to be perpetuated by every lackluster muddle mouthed verse he spits. He can do no wrong. Yet he has done nothing to further the art form. I think he is very intelligent and insightful. But that aspect of his personality is rarely put on display. More often than not we get intentional mispronunciation, weird groaning sounds, sloppy metaphors and silly similes. His shenanigans are irritating. If this is genius, then what do you call those geeky kids in middle-America recording themselves rapping and uploading it onto the internet? In all fairness, Wayne has an abundance of charisma, masterful cadences, and top notch flows. But they only distract from the crap that he keeps putting out for mass consumption. He’s pulling off one of the biggest cons in the history of entertainment. Now that I really think about it, my issue isn’t with Dwayne Carter. It’s you, the enablers and the sycophants, jock riders and cheerleaders. I hate you all.

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Wow. Thank you. I need to memorize that so I can recite it during every future Lil Wayne conversation.

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