Live From New York: Courtney Love's St. Patrick's Day
I poke a lot of fun at Courtney Love on this blog. 'Cause she's ... a little loopy. But she totally won me over last night, despite her guitar-throwing tantrums. She's a ROCK STAR. I can't get enough.
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11:07 PM
James and I head to Plaid after seeing a so-so set by Headset at Mercury. I've never been to Plaid. There are scantily-clad ladies dancing on the bar.
Meet up with Jason Productshop, who is looking very dapper (check out his awesome review of the show).
11:18 PM
Opening band ... a little screamy, but I liked their energy. Anyone know their name? Was it Uncle Fucker?
11:56 PM
The Courtney Love Band chills in the VIP area.
12:05 AM
Peeps watching at home see Courtney pull a Drew Barrymore and expose her breasts on The Late Show. SIX TIMES. She sings "Danny Boy" and gives Mr. Letterman some choice bytes:
12:10 AM
Natasha Lyonne's girlfriend to Stereogum: "We're being really cool by letting you sit here, so like, don't take any pictures."
12:52 AM
Stereogum: "You're awesome!"
Boy George: "Fuck off."
12:55 AM
Find Hal and Vivian
Hal takes a picture of our feet. He was either being artistic or drunk.
1:14 AM
Courtney rocks! She screams to Natasha from the stage: "Pass me my fucking scotch ... bitch!"
Courtney throws the microphone stand. Hits some poor guy in the head! But he's not (badly) hurt.
2:10 AM
Time to go! James notices three police officers making their way inside with flash lights and a determined look on their faces, while a patrol car idles outside.
2:30 AM
Courtney gets arrested for reckless endangerment and third-degree assault. Man, this girl CANNOT GET A BREAK. Where's the love NYC? Julian was right about the cops.
Courtney's performing tonight at Bowery! Anyone going? I want a report!
UPDATE:
Posted at 12:13 PM
Tags: Boy George | Courtney Love | David Letterman
i saw that guy all wrapped up when i was leaving. thats so funny.
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i'm going tonight. then to the afterparty. will def. give you the rundown.
p.s. i heard courtney DIDN'T throw the mic stand "intentionally." so says my friend who is in one of your pics.
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DAMMIT now i really wish we went last night!
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Laura, I won't erase the Letterman thing, so you can come over and watch it.
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Where's the afterparty?
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opening bands were alabama black snake, the giraffes (their singer aaron is the one you photographed), then uncle fucker.
is that hal's REAL tongue? boy george (grandpa george?) knows best!
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it was actually quite boring and sad. I feel bad but when the guy got hit it was funny. One of the girls in the band is cute.
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the giraffes are great fun...we've had them on our tv show a bunch of times
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I can't believe how ugly and nasty Courtney Love and Natasha Lyonne look. I've seen corpses that look better.
Also, who is that ugly blond midget to the right of Courtney Love? She looks like Pink.
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I'm so glad the cops took her away. Assaulting a person in the audience (even if it wasn't intentional) is so incredibly stupid. A performer should know better. Yeah, but look who we're talking about. NYC cops might not be too smart, but they've got 100x the common sense of C. Love. Anyway, she'll get her day in court...if she bothers to show up.
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Courtney yanked my top down while she was singing. Her hands touched my bosoms. It was quite nice. A little rough, but nice.
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First that LIRR train barrels out of control down the tracks, and then the Courtney Express barrels into town and does some moe damage.
Good lord! At one point I had some sympathy for her. Now she's just degraded into a more damaged version of Nancy Spungeon... But with less of the personality... Like a damned can of TAB with a boob job.
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that gal to the right of courtney is not a midget. she's 5'9. it's a bad pic of her. she's the drummer. played for hole, motley crue, and of course, shift (NYxHC). samantha maloney.
not sure where the afterparty is but i will find out later tonight. i'm trying to convince everyone to go to that hollertronix thing sponsored by supreme and nike, but it's two worlds colliding.
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i heard they covered "Bumrush" for an encore...
viva la blue demo!
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i was shocked to see so many people at plaid. Do people actually go there? Also who the hell goes to a hole show. I sort of liked the first album but the new one is worse than limp bizkit. I'm still trying to decide if i'd get with courtney...she's kinda cute when she's not looking so deranged.
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no way man, the new album is great. i like that her voice ain't pop. it's very...mmmm...raw and scratchy. it's way better than the crap i'm forced to listen to at clubs nowadays. woooooohoooo williamsburg hipsters woooohooo swaying to the music in their nice suits and pomade hair. pfffff. BORING.
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Courtney, needs to get a clue, for God sake, she is not 20 anymore, she is almost 40. Sadly, She needs to join Whitney in treatment. They could bash each others heads in until they get clean and sober.
signed,
"The Cage".
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wild wild wild!
umm...natasha lyonne doesn't look too good.
i'm actually heading to plaid tonight but might want to check out that hollertronix thing instead.
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What a typical NYC faggot hipster. He whould have taken that mic and shoved it up her twat.
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i agree that most music at the clubs suck, but that's because the promoters hire their friends who think they're djs...actually the whole night life here is a joke, and the i still hate the hole album.
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Courtney rocks my socks off. Seriously.
We need more details about all of this.
And yo, she was like, right around the corner from my old apartment at that Wendy's. Of course she (or anyone else) couldn't come in when *I* lived right around there.
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Courtney's a no talent hack who overstayed her welcome in numerous scenes even before she became ( ahem ), famous.
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"We're being really cool by letting you sit here."?? This from Natasha Lyonne's GIRLFRIEND?? That's some bitchy nerve coming from a celebrity's fucking plus-one! Stereogum should have slapped her silly.
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Courtney Love is a drug-infested skank. Just seeing photos of her on the Internet makes me want to take a shower. What a nasty, nasty broad. Yuck.
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I was at that show last night. What a pathetic performance. I'd say more than half of the hipster crowd didn't even like her, they were just there to see the freakshow. Courtney was so high, I was shocked she could even function. Her voice was shit, her body looks horrid. What a waste.
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Gotta feel for Francis Bean...gotta think about Cobain, Corgan, Nirvana, and how damn sad all of this is.
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I'm with Eva and the rest of the Courtney fans. Courtney is the REAL DEAL!!!
She's not buff and tanned like the rest of the brainless pop Jessicabritneychristinasauruses that rule Popland. She's completely raw and honest and so what if she's a mess - she's punk, man! What do you want? Some pre-packaged, Dodge-promoting shill? She's never, ever sold out and she never will because no advertiser will come near her. How cool is that?
Her movies have been cool - her attitude is cool - sure she might die soon, but whatever - she's punk like old school punk.
I like her. Shut up about Courtney.
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Oh and don't give me that "she's a mother" crap. Wahhhhhh!
Look at all the dysfunctional male rock stars and the hoards of children they leave in every town all over the map. But do we say "oh but he's a father" he needs to stop doing drugs and make a life for his child.
No! We cheer them on and hope they keep on rockin'. Typical double standard...
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Yah, male rock stars get away with doing anything.
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Courtney is nothing more than a horribly disfigured, ugly, dumb, wanna be, hanging on with dear life c*nt. I wish I were female so I could bash her face in if I bumed into her. I'd do a couple of years for that...
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Courtney is the best!
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Bullshit to the double standard thing. If a male rock star was a single parent facing court hearings to determine if they lose custody of their child, and they acted like this I'd say fuck them too. Courtney is a pathetic, desperate, selfish, needy, horrid human being.
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"Her movies have been cool - her attitude is cool - sure she might die soon, but whatever - she's punk like old school punk."
Not really. She's got no talent. And it's very clear that if she didn't hook up with Kurt Cobain she'd just fade into the background like she should.
She's simply pathetic and comparing her to old school punk is B.S. She's the biggest sellout and fame whore ever. She should never be allowed near Francis Bean until she cleans her act up.
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Michael Jackson.
I rest my case.
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I'll admit that Courtney's no musical prodigy. But lots of old school punkers weren't *talented* in the traditional sense either.
To me, Courtney just comes closer in attitude and aura to the classic figures in rock like Morrison, Joplin, Vicious, and Cobain himself. She is utterly fascinating and we continue to seek her out, gawk at her, write about her in blogs, because she is a rock n' roll train wreck.
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Michael Jackson's face > Courtney's face.
And what are those sores on her arms?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3515861.stm
Is that from heroin abuse?
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All I want to know is what is that pink thing on Natasha Lyonne's breast?
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On what planet is she a rock star agian?
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/t/cthu1hu/c.jpg
Mmmm...
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"Michael Jackson."
Michael Jackson and the entire Jackson family have had more of an impact on music than Courtney Love ever will or has ever had.
"She is utterly fascinating and we continue to seek her out, gawk at her, write about her in blogs, because she is a rock n' roll train wreck."
She's a dishevelled bag lady in front of the paparazzi simply because her famous husband killed himself with a shotgun. That's it. Her talent is about on par with David Guest; marry someone who's famous and bask in the glow.
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Natasha Lyonne = Wardrobe Malfunction
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Courtney has impacted music so much! The world of rock was really lacking without her. There were so many pathetic formulated boy bands for the last 5 years. Courtney is rock and she's a hell of a lot better than most punk/rock guys/girls out there!!! Courtney rocks and she is talented! She is a talented lyricist! musician and performer!
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Oh come on, people... Once you get past that "grungy-punk" thing and put attitude aside, you can clearly see HOW troubled and deranged this poor, pathetic woman really is. Courtney Love needs a serious rehabilitation from drugs, alcohol and mixed up soul searching, to get back to basics of a clean, simple life to where she can find her true self. Perhaps a spiritual retreat could help, as well.
I simply feel reeeeeeally sorry for her because, underneath her mass confusion and self destruction, she is probably a beautiful person inside and out.
Pray for her because she is one who really needs it. And, I betcha Mr. Cobain is doing just that.
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Oh come on, people... Once you get past that "grungy-loon" thing and put attitude aside, you can clearly see HOW troubled and deranged this poor, pathetic man really is. Charles Manson needs a serious rehabilitation from drugs, alcohol and mixed up soul searching, to get back to basics of a clean, simple life to where he can find his true self. Perhaps a spiritual retreat could help, as well.
I simply feel reeeeeeally sorry for him because, underneath his mass confusion and self destruction, he is probably a beautiful person inside and out.
Pray for him because he is one who really needs it. And, I betcha Mrs. Sharon (Tate) Polanski is doing just that.
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re: above -- "new york f____t hipster"? nice. you really do live in houston, don't you?
jackass.
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Kurt Cobain messenger: Can't you do any better than that? *rofl*
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Yanno, all this outlandish behaviour can only be attributed to the onset of menopause.
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Scott -
Just so you know, your photos are all over the news. Channel 2 used them, but credited Gawker.
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It's unfortunate that Courtney Love's priorities are all about partying and shocking "the norm"
She has a daughter ,,,who needs a mother. She needs some serious help. Im sure the judge will have some things to say to Miss love about St. Patty when it comes time to buck up and smell the coffee. Good Luck Courtney!!!!
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So I guess wanting to collaborate with Diane Warren is now "raw and honest" and "punk like old-school punk"?
Huh.
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" old school punk "? no way, old school skank, hell yeah!
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Clove is everyone's favorite fuck up. She is part charmer, part raw rocker and part train wreck that you can't help but watch. She will be 60 years old some day and still showing her boobies. Amidst all the dysfunction she is somehow lovable because we can watch from afar.... BUT- she is dancing on the pathetic line now, only because she cannot even get to court on time for a case involving HER daughter. You would think that she would even be more careful when so much is at stake, when Francis Bean has had to grow up without the love of her dad... but still she cannot swallow what ails her and just be a good little soldier. No one wants to bow down to the system, to the man but sometimes you have to when a precious one is depending on you.
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I was just gonna say that Courtney Love (smell the irony) is a selfish fucking cunt, but you said it much prettier.
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she's also collaberated on this record with Wayne Kramer of the MC-5.
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Her parents gave her acid when she was four
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Then they abandoned her in LA with a friend and moved to New Zealand when she was eight
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She was in and out of trouble with the law and stayed in juvenille halls through her adolescence
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She made a living stripping in Tawain in her teens
the love of her life committed suicide.
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Not a pretty background, eh? She didn't come from a model-agency owning magnate's family from Darien, Connecticut.
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I think Courtney's done pretty well for herself considering. No wonder she has troubles. And we are all so quick to judge, but she could be the best mother in the world. Maybe she's just having fun on her tour - she could go home and be Sarah Lee for all we know.
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Look at Anna Nicole Smith - she does drugs, has a son, is totally dysfunctional and what does the media/entertainment industry do? They give her a TV show!
Courtney just can't get a break...
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To me, Courtney has decended from a long line of punk rocker chicks who TRULY lived the life (not just dressed up in the clothes like Avril Lavigne) strong transgressive-minded women like Exene Cervenka, Patti Smith, Lydia Lunch, Siouxie Sioux, Joan Jett, The Lunachicks, and all of those riot grrls who broke down the barriers of the male-saturated punk rock world.
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Talent will always be subjective. But no one can deny that she's an icon in her own right, even if she's a dysfunctional one. Everyone always says that she glommed onto Kurt Cobain as if he was some swamped brained idiot that would actually be taken advantage of. I never knew Kurt personally, but something tells me that he was a bright, articulate individual with somewhat of a savvy business sense to become a millionaire by his late twenties. But I guess it's so inconceivable that he would actually fall in love with someone who wasn't a model or actress. Is it that inconceivable? Maybe in today's rock climate with Jack White dating Renee Zellweger it is.Â
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When is Grohl going to put a hit on the Widow Cobain?
Put her out of her misery, she is embarssaing like someones Aunt Substitute teacher.
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Gawd, I thought she had died. Oh that was just her career. Time to go bye, bye, that bitch from the Distillers has her act down cold plus she is plenty more hot.
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bitch killed kurt.
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(very well written Leslie)
And yeah, i am well aware of her background and the shards of glass that she has had to crawl over thoughout her life. I think Kurt and Love were destined to be together, I think they understood each other because they both had similar holes in their hearts to fill. It is funny because she saved his life on many occasions and yet, i always think of them together as being gas and fire together (in a tragic sort of way). So often, hurt birds flock together.
Society likes peering at dysfunction because it makes us all feel better about ourselves. But all this voyeurism has a price... You mentioned Anna Nicole Smith, I laugh at her too but also realize that she is morally bankrupt having taken millions of dollars from some feeble lonely old man, and yet SHE is celebrated and marketed to a whole new MTV generation.
Maybe CLove is a punker who will never mature, (although i do think she is albeit slowly) and she has had a tough upbringing but at some point you just have to not rely on that upbringing for excuses. BUT that early love you feel before you are 4 years old is soooo important... given that, you can endure anything really and so, i give anyone slack who didn't get those hugs. (but then i am just a softy)
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I love how courtney makes the stage her home... sneakers... cigarette wrappers...
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"To me, Courtney has decended from a long line of punk rocker chicks who TRULY lived the life...strong transgressive-minded women like Exene Cervenka, Patti Smith, Lydia Lunch, Siouxie Sioux, Joan Jett, The Lunachicks, and all of those riot grrls who broke down the barriers of the male-saturated punk rock world."
umm no.
she's watched Sid & Nancy too many times and has been desperate to be the millenial Ms. Spungen for years now. She is definitely not down for the cause either. Why do you think she tried to knock out Kathleen Hannah on the Lollapalooza tour?
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Maybe Kathleen Hannah is where your knowledge of female punk starts but it's not where mine does... and why does punk have to be about a "cause?" Can't it be music and attitude? For lots of bands in the late '70s/early '80s that's all it was. Reading what Iggy said in the Oral History of Punk Rock by Legs McNeil, gave me the impression that all he wanted to do was get laid.
That's the beauty of punk - it defies categorization.
And thank you Ellogoods. Your posts were just as eloquently stated. Almost enough that you had me swayed there for a bit. I do agree with you that there comes a time when a person has to grow up for the sake of their family. But like I said, almost... I'm ready to for Courtney to have a couple more good/bad/crazy years and then maybe she can retire from the limelight and start knitting booties for her grandchildren. ; )
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Nothing's more punked out than breast implants... I Wan-na beeeeeee rhinoplasty!
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Hey i don't want to get involved in all this Courtney bashing/loving, but i did see her at Bowery Ballroom last night. Kickass! Courtney is definitely a sad character, but a hell of a performer, too. Her voice was shot, but she still put on a great show.
The crowd was really loopy - some psycho girl with cat ears was going around biting people - i saw her make blood on one girl's arm. I wish she would have tried to bite me; i would have shoved those silly cat ears down her throat. Steve Van Zandt was there, and i heard Debbie Harry and Joan Jett were there, too, although i didn't see them myself.
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Remember Wendy O. Williams? Where is she now?
You guys and your "rock 'n' roll train wrecks." She's had a hard life, but she's made more money than you'll ever see. She's so obviously insane, it's a wonder that the rubber truck hasn't rounded her up yet. She's not like you, not one bit. She is an island - truly alone. She doesn't want or need anyone, outside of the occassional fly to pick the wings off of.
A mess, end to end.
What's there to admire? I don't see how you can sympathize with her - she's smarter than you when she's not having an episode of insanity, and has always been a reptile. A functional sociopath - how charming.
(Besides, if you really gave a good goddamn about her, then you wouldn't support the Courtney Love self-destruction show.)
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When I saw her in Chicago in 1994 all the girls in the audience where in awe of how awesome her body was. I could totally see why Kurt would date her she looked like a supermodel with implants. But I do not think she has aged well because hard drugs will do that to you. so yeah she was hot back then..and I could see the attraction for him aside from her talent
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"Look at Anna Nicole Smith - she does drugs, has a son, is totally dysfunctional and what does the media/entertainment industry do? They give her a TV show! Courtney just can't get a break..."
Hmmm, last time I checked Courtney did get a break. Especially after throwing a microphone stand at an innocent person and sending him to the hospital. She stayed in jail overnight without bail? If that isn't special privelege, then I have no idea what is.
And you're kidding about Anna Nicole Smith, right? Last time I checked Courtney has exactly what she wants. A record contract and a marginal career. Her life-model is Nancy Spungeon and Courtney has exceeded the "fame" that Nancy had in her day.
We also all know about her childhood and hard life. The truth is there are tons of people out there who have gone through similar/worse experiences who have not turned into selfish/self-destructive piles of human shit like Courtney. And while some people pleading "If someone would JUST help her..." the reality is you want defend her as a human fuck-up and apologize it away. And if by some miracle she ever cleaned up her act, you'd have no clue how to react to her.
The amazing thing about Courtney Love and other celebrties is how many dumbass people will bend over backwards to defend their behavior. Reality check here: Courtney could not give a rat's ass about anyone but Courtney. You think for one second if you were fucked up she'd come and help? Hell no. She's a fucked up celebrity and an asshole. She's not your friend. She doesn't care about you or anyone else. And only cares about feeding her ego.
As tragic as it would be for Francis Bean to have no parents growing up, ultimately if Courtney would just up and die already that small little section of the world would be a better place.
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"Maybe Kathleen Hannah is where your knowledge of female punk starts but it's not where mine does... and why does punk have to be about a "cause?""
hey you were the one that invoked the name of riot-girl and started talking about breaking down the barriers of the male saturated world of rock. if that's he agenda then why start beef with someone who was doing so much to break down the same barriers?
i read the same book as you and what i got is that "technically" punk was dead as soon it was recognized.
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Also, how can anyone invoke the horrible childhood of Courtney Love as an explanation for her behavior and then completely ignore what Francis Bean might be going through? Seriously, if you have such sympathy for Courtney Love's "pain" it might be helpful if you realize that with a mom like this Francis Bean will have some real issues to deal with.
Apologizing Courtney's selfish bullshit and ignoring Francis Bean's horrible childhood and how Courtney is going to ruin her life is simply idiotic.
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Invoking the myth of a " male dominated " rock scene is playing right into the very devices that allowed a marginal talent like Love to go as far as she has.
There have always been women in punk rock. Always. The Slits, X-Ray Spex, Nina Hagen, Gaye Advert...it's a big list.
Love has nothing in common with these pioneers. She is an opportunist.
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Who are you people, Francis Bean's God Parents?!? Do you think Francis Bean has been left alone right now to fend for herself and eat the dust out of the fridge while Courtney's off leaving a path of destruction?
No way! She's probably with a nanny. And I'd bet anything that's she's been nanny-reared for many years now. Is that going to insult your sensibilities too? That a child might need a nanny because her mother works as an entertainer?!?
You act like mothers have to be these saintly human beings that are allowed to do no wrong - well, wake up! There are lots of drug-addicted mothers out there who have high-functioning, intelligent children. And there are other so-called "perfect" mothers that raise serial killers. Sure kids have a better chance when there are both well-adjusted parents around, but that's not always the case in every household.
There are worse evils out there to befall children than Courtney Love - McDonald's, George Bush, and the lack of health care for the working poor to name a few.
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"She is an opportunist."
Hell yeah, she's an opportunist. But she's not stupid. Courtney knows she's a brand right now. And she's milking it for all it's worth.
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Ana, I beg to differ. I speak from personal experience that there still a lot of sexism in rock.
If there are any women that compare to The Slits, X-Ray Spex, Nina Hagen, and The Slits, X-Ray Spex, Nina Hagen, Gaye Advert, and I'm sure there are - Le Tigre, Sleater Kinney come to mind, they are barely coming close to making a living doing what they love, because they're not willing to take their clothes off or sell out to the male music biz theocracy.
Courtney is just willing to go that extra mile to make $$$ - yeah, you're right. The more I think about it, she is an opportunist. But I look at it as a survival skill, rather than something bad.
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"Barely coming close to making a living doing what they love",...sounds like the textbook definition of punk rock to me.
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"There are worse evils out there to befall children than Courtney Love - McDonald's, George Bush, and the lack of health care for the working poor to name a few."
Leslie, you can't on the one hand belabor ad-infinitum about Courtney Love's horrible childhood and then turn around and ignore how Courtney Love is doing damage to her own child's life in a somewhat similar fashion.
If you're going to say something that asinine then anyone else can say that Courtney Love's bad childhood had nothing to do with her parents, but she's the natural product of Nixon, Watergate and social unrest in the 1970s.
But like I said before, it's friggin' hillarious how many people trip over themselves to defend celebrities who could not give opne shit about you and would probably treat you like shit if you met them. Courtney Love is a pathetic fame whore who is a sociopath. If she was not a celebrity she would have been institutionalized by now. And if anyone other than a celebrity threw a metal microphone stand at another person's head, they would be in jail still and would have to pay a fine or do time for the act.
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Last night was crazy- memorable, if not in the enjoyable sense. Courtney looked close to a breakdown and sounded terrible, but I thought the audience was far more disturbing. What is it with middle-aged men and Courtney? There were at least a half-dozen of these freaky guys shoving their way up front and trying to grope Courtney.
...and that poor transvestite getting her hair yanked by Courtney. I think she jumped off the stage to get away.
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Oh...sorry I thought this was Fark.
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"I'm ready to for Courtney to have a couple more good/bad/crazy years and then maybe she can retire from the limelight and start knitting booties for her grandchildren. ; )-- Leslie"
She may as well, because if she has taken away Francis Bean's childhood or part thereof, it has already happened anyway. From everything I have seen i the news, Bean has grown up to be a great little kid and probably that has a lot to do with her internally rebeling against her mom's "don't give a shit" attitude, but I also have the feeling that Francis has had to become the mom in that relationship more than once and I have known people who were ostensibly the parent to their parents their whole life AND it is sad. Sad to have to grow up fast, watch your parent mess up time and time again and have to wake them up or watch them face down on the bed when someone else takes you to horse riding lessons... things like that are remembered AND yes, many other kids have way worse lives but don't you just hate when you are making a valid point and someone else chimes in "Well, some kids get murdered by their parent!"
On a side issure discussed on here. Punk definitely has their own brand of Punk snobbery but in truth Punk has never been political, music really has never been political except for the genre of protest songs in all types of musis. Punk, in my way of thinking, has always been an outlet for abandon and anger and raw sexuality. To make a crude analogy, if "rock and roll" stemmed out of the term rocking and rolling as in fucking, then "punk" is akin to fucking a complete and utter stranger in a back ally. It is primitive, spontaneous, daring and kind of stupid, or at least that is what punk used to be.
The music called punk now, which i refer to as baby punk is played by bands like (god strike me down for mentioning them) Good Charlotte is like corporate punk or Disney Punk. I think Punk rock died years ago and I think that is probably a good thing....
I think Courtney Love was punk back when she was in Sugar Baby Doll with Kat Bjelland and subsequently with early Hole but she has metamophasized into more sophisticated music, with more melody. Is that a good thing? I dunno but I just do not think that true punkers get the extensive cosmetic surgery that she has had... that is not punk- nooooo, you cannot make me say it is.
damn, i am late-
outa here
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Leslie: If you think Courtney was at all broken up after losing "the love of her life", you should read some accounts of many people who where around her after the suicide. Trent Reznor, for one. Sorry no link, but lets just say, this is one of the most despicable and disguting persons I've ever read about. There's no way to defend such a person without being blinded by their celebrity.
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Unfortunately, this whole dialogue is as mixed up and confused and complicated as CL herself.
I definitely agree with many of the previous points that were made, but definitely have some beef with a few comments:
*CL IS a rock 'n' roll trainwreck. No one can deny that. She's living up to those jaded old rock 'n' roll ideals-- live fast, die young, and leave a pretty corpse.
* She's milking all of this free publicity for all it's worth. Never forget that CL is a master of self-promotion.
As a longtime music journalist and PR person (I'm assuming that I'm a bit older than most posting here; I'm 32), most of us look at CL with wonder and awe... with her assorted antics, she provides herself with millions of dollars of free publicity by exploiting herself and the ones she loves. And she knows it.
We all know that America's Sweetheart was on the way to becoming a huge flop. I wouldn't even doubt it if she's had this plan in mind from the start of her press campaign. Disgrace oneself in order to move units.
* The ultimate loser in this whole thing is Frances Bean. She's losing the oppportunity to have a strong, independent female figure in her life, and I agree with the other poster that commented that it seems as if FB has had to be the adult in this relationship. I've met FB once, at the Pearl Harbor premiere in Hawaii, and she seems very grounded and self-assured (very guarded, however. Maybe that's a rebellion against the CL bluntness). But it still must hurt to see your mom on TV flashing a man 6 TIMES and obviously messed up out of her head. And that Wendy's bum/boob picture must not help, either. FB is the one I'm rooting for... I hope Kurt's mom (her grandma) is taking good care of her.
*CL is a controlling, selfish sociopath. No doubts about that either. She's definitely hurting her child. She's uber-careful about how she's represented in the Kurt/Nirvana era (which a lot of it is WAY negative)... I mean, she had all instances of herself removed from Kurt's diaries when they were released! She held up the Nirvana box set, when 2 of the surviving members (who have more rights to control their artwork than she does) wanted to work with her in a civilized manner in order to put it out.
I'll admit, a few things about CL are cool-- Live Through This was one of my favorite albums for a long, long time. The songs and lyrics made me proud to be a CL fan. She defined a new level of strength behind being a woman that's also a hard rock fan. She also is very smart... no one can argue this. I've heard her debate politics, literature, music history and random issues of social debate with aplomb.
But she started losing me after the plastic surgery and the Versace ad campaigns. It seems as if she took a lot of her lyrics to heart ("oh make me over..."). If she really was so self-confident and in control AND PUNK ROCK (as some of you here love to throw around... trust me, it's easy to study and observe "punk," but living its ideals is QUITE another thing... debate that one!), why hack yourself up to fit someone else's ideals of beauty?? She was already rich. She was already famous.
She was already challenging the ideas of women in rock (btw, I think PJ Harvey does it WAY better, and you never hear about her letting bums suck on her tits outside of fast food shops...).
There's a lot of deeper issues there. And the drugs ain't helping. I refuse to give her a free pass just because she's a woman in rock. Fuck that. If she was really punk rock, she'd kick the prescription pills and get her shit together, get her voice back (which won't happen, sorry-- a friend mastered the Celebrity Skin album, and her voice was shot then... they had to digitally fuzz everthing over so it sounded somewhat together), work on having a better relationship with her daughter, and then come back with an album of decent materials. Then get on Letterman and rail about how fucked up the media industry is and how in the drive for fame money and artistic recognition, it makes women go crazy. Then flash him once.
Overall, it just seems to me as if she's going to have to hit rock rock bottom in order to get some help. And hopefully it doesn't mean jail time, or even worse, losing custody of her child.
Or worse.
But I just ask her to do it on her own time. I'm sick of watching the trainwreck.
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alabama blacksnake was the band..i think. the drummer works with me.
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fucking mass media bullshit. why do people fucking care. what's the fasination with other people being punk rock? real punk rock could care less. check out some john zorn and get it over with.
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its such a pity she fucked herself up so badly, she could have done so much more than she has. shes had a couple of pretty good albums but in the end(whenever that will come, everyone says she'll be dead sooner rather than later but the bitch never does what shes told) all we'll remember her for is flashing her tits and marrying kurt. and that last thing i think, eats her up more than anything
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I think Courtney Love wanted to have a child to neglect. It is probably some kind of sociological experiment. Courtney has been neglecting her daughter since she was in the womb. The most interesting people usually come from inhospitable backgrounds, I am sure Frances will be no exception.
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This CL thing is just histerical! Totally f'n TRASH!
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Courtney's already lost custody of FB, or at least is in the process of losing it. Kurt's mother has custody of Frances or is getting it or maybe Frances is already living with her.
Whoever compared Courtney to Patti Smith must not know that Patti moved away from NYC to raise a family and when her husband Fred 'Sonic' Smith fell ill, cared for him until his death. Patti didn't drive her husband to commit suicide and, as far as I know, didn't get him hooked on heroin.
The plastic surgery thing is really scary, cause we know that Courtney has a serious self-hatred issue and is trying to erase all of her father from her face, but it's so damned disappointing that she ends up looking like meg ryan or any other 40something desperate hollywood actress instead of Debbie Harry who probably has had some work done, but in a subtle classy way. Ok, not a fair comparison, Debbie's oneof the most beautiful women in the world.
The plastic surgery obsession vs. real punk rock is one of those wild contradictions Courtney has always thrown out there and somehow managed to get away with.
Yeah, work with Diane Warren with Linda Perry and still persuade clueless media that you're punk rock.
The music isn't punk, but the pathetic public display is sort of punk. Punk in that unembarass-able make an ass of yourself with style sid vicious way. It's only punk because most so-called celebrities are so careful about their image and don't dare mix with mortals if they're too fucked up.
But for a 39 yo woman it's a lot more punk rock to NOT flash your breasts. Then again, she's more or less saying, 'these aren't real so why not show the whole damn world, it's not as if they're sexual by any stretch of imagination.'
i don't think Courtney's going to off herself with drugs for at least another 10 years and by then, no one will even notice.
God. If Courtney hated the way she looked so much, what does she think of Frances when she looks at the kid and sees her own face staring back at her?
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UMMM....well i didnt know where to put this cos im horribly confused by this website, but since im here anyway cos its courtney, ill stick it here. wat is this website!! please tell me...whos stereogum..? and...just what the hell is going on in general!!
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UMMM....well i didnt know where to put this cos im horribly confused by this website, but since im here anyway cos its courtney, ill stick it here. wat is this website!! please tell me...whos stereogum..? and...just what the hell is going on in general!!
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all iv got to say is that courtney love is no more fit to be a mother than what she is to be a classed as a human being. kurt was a legend, yes. but also just your average guy, he didnt deserve to be inflicted and lumbered with all the shit courtney gave him. she was a munipulative & selfish towards kurt, not a real wife. Francis Bean gave him great joy as he wanted to be the father to her he never had. courtney always wanted him out of the picture and in the end she got her way. because of her we lost one of the most influential, most loved and phenomenal artists of time. for this she will never be forgiven and fans the world over may agree that she can only be seen as the force that drove kurt over the edge and doesnt deserve to be called anything more. yes, maybe kurt wouldnt have wanted this, all the hatred. but kurt, that woman is a menace and i FUCKING HATE HER. she is not fit to be a mother. she is not fit to be alive. she always has been and always will be nothing.
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Truthfully, does ANYONE out there think that a majority of general society would know who Courtney Love was if she HAD NOT hooked up with Cobain??? Think about it.
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Oi!(hi)I´m from Brazil and i love the things about Courtney!I´m Courtney's big fan!But i din´t see this program because in my country they din´t pass!Shit!Hey enter in my website!Its all about Nirvana!!!I love Nirvana too!!!Other web: www.the_hole.blig.com.br
Tchau(Bye)
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Agora eu vo postar em portugues vocês que traduzam!Eu acho a Courtney demais!Esse progrma deve ter sido o máximo e ainda acho que ela não matou Kurt!
Eu amo Nirvana
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I'M thinkin' about my doorbell, when are you gonna ring it?
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To all You Nasty little Courtney Love Bashing Parasites go dig a hole and put yorself in it. The lady has an apparent mental illness, so concentrate on your own damn lives. STIGMA is ugly. Courtney Love rocks my world. Feel free to throw your horrid stones at me. Thankyou. LoVe to you sweet Courtney.
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Great review thanks, only stumbled on it now, was actually looking for deskto feedreaders, haven’t found any decent ones so far but heck with all the features that areout there I could as well opt for an online one.
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I think the Technorati ranks are quite skewed with regards to blogs the recently moved to science blogs. And from my own experience with Technorati, "recently" in their terms can be weeks... They're not always up to date, and have a very hard time handling moved sites or merged domains (two urls both leading to the same site). I tried that once and suddenly I had 0 incoming links, said the mighty Technorati website. Then I had to wait about a month for support, so you can see why I don't believe in Technorati's numbers very much.
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I am a "multi-blogger". I have three blogs on TypePad (one general blog [current events, sports, books, movies], one photoblog, one parenting blog), a work-related one on Blogger, and another group-authored blog on Blogger as well. One reason to have multiple blogs is to separate your work life and interests from your personal life.
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Colombia's vice president is "baffled" by Kate Moss's success following cocaine allegations...
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Hallo! Es hat sich doch gezeigt, dass die 301 Umleitung einer minus-31 Domain nichts bringt weil die Seite auf die umgeleitet wird auch auf Platz 31 landet. Wenn nun jemand seine -31 Domain auf meine Domain umleiten wurde um mich als Konkurrenten zu argern, gabe es fur mich keine Moglichkeit diese Manipulation herauszufinden.
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Ich wurde ratseln was ich falsch gemacht hatte und dabei ist es nur ein Trick der Konkurrenz. Edit: Ich habe die Frage vergessen! Gibt es doch eine Moglichkeit herauszufinden ob jemand seine Domain auf meine umgeleitet hat?
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