Right Where It Belongs?
Posted at 9:35 AM
May 11, 2005
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a co-worker showed me a copy of the new spin, and said, "who is this guy."
I said, "I have no idea."
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I just couldn't believe he was 39...goodness.
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So insightful!
I just hope he got paid by the word.
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Well at least The List Issue is full of handy, insightful lists! Wait... my mistake. Those lists are neither handy nor insightful.
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ok. i just spent the last 15 seconds clicking that thinking it was a for real prompt.
asshole.
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Is the album really that bad...or is it that none of us are that angry anymore, and therefore don't care?
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'Tis the season for bad releases... NIN's "The Hand That Feeds" is pop and will compete with Britney Spears remixes. Now, I'm afraid to buy the new Weezer album after Pitchfork's review... I can only hope for free mp3's on sites like these (rhyme not intended).
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It's not THAT bad, but it's not great, or even above good, either. The angsty shit just doesn't fly very well anymore, and it'd be better suited for a new band than NIN. Sorta like the new Weezer.
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see that's lame since it was a very good record. they guy did a few new things and changed with the times a bit. well done overall i thought and esp enjoyable if you're a fan given all of the shit such as the line note replacing pdf map to the record that there is to contemplate.
i guess pitchfork gave it what seemed to be a condescending (prickfork condescending, noooo...) thumb almost up so it's totally not trendy enough for the fucking indie tarts that seem to inhabit this and other sites.
blow me. fuck your PETA ads. and mostly, fuck le tigre
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I agree, it's a great record, it's just not trendy. Shortsighted hipsters who diss it based on comparisons to 90s era NIN are totally wrong on this one.
Over time, With Teeth will gain respect.
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I think Pitchfork was unfairly harsh on Weezer's new album. I have bought all of Weezer's albums, and, honestly, have been only able to really enjoy the first half of The Green Album and Maladroit. Make Believe is no different. Good stuff up front, weaker stuff for the end.
As far as NIN goes, I think With Teeth is a good album. Whoever said it is right, though, that the angsty thing just doesn't fly as well anymore. In fact, after reading interviews with Trent Reznor circa The Fragile and the current Spin interview, he's pretty much saying the same stuff. "I was at this super low point and had to decide to live, blah blah blah." So to answer the question, "Who stays this pissed this long?" Perhaps even Trent has to wonder.
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Take heart, NIN fans: at the very least, you can be 100% guaranteed that With Teeth is nowhere near as bad as Weezer's pathetic and embarassing new album.
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"what the hell is going on?" I wondered as I kept trying to close out of the prompt.
cute.
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the new NIN album is great.... as was the fragile.... and people will eventually figure that out. it's so US to hate on the new record by a band that created a genre b/c it sounds too much like that genre.... the simplicity of the lyrics is not shallow. it is NIN... it's angry like the margins of yr high school notebook... with teeth has the dirty, organic sounds of the fragile mixed in with the pop sounds from downward spiral and pretty hate machine....
and one thing people don't seem to pick up is how much the sounds on NIN records are the same as the sounds on more underground stuff - the fragile owed more to unwound than any metal band and the bass sounds on this record are way big black.
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i just clicked "YES" x5million!
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people take music too seriously
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I think it's a very good album and gets better on repeat listens. But, you know, that's not what music is for; why think about music at all when you can use it to prop up a pithy one-liner?
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You should get a filter for slimy PR people. The spinsters writing great comments about NIN or Weezer on here are the same pencil pushers that give A+ reviews for horrible movies on Yahoo.
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"All The Love In The World" is a great track....classic NIN material. The album also ends with a very solid track "Right Where It Belongs". I've only listened to the album a handful of times so far but those two tracks grabbed me right away. "Only" is also a good one.
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Interesting take on the NIN, I have yet to hear it. I have to say I wan't too impressed with the new Weezer. I listened to it on myspace, and could only bear listening to about six songs in, and I was one of the few who enjoyed Maladroit and the Green album. I even cancelled my amazon order for it, Figuring that I wouldn't listen to it more than once. It'd be a medicorce effort by even a new band, let alone Weezer.
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It's cool to hate things! Everything new sucks! Hooray! I'm hip!
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I'm not trying to be a music snob, but what genre did Trent Reznor create?
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shit sandwich genre?
i give up.
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Didn't Stereogum have With Teeth "rocking" their IPod a few weeks ago? "The Hand that Feeds" sounds exactly like "Head Like a Hole". Was that "too pop"?
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join me in the rise of genre elimination
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Christ on a bike, people. Is Stereogum frequented almost exclusively by 14-year-olds? Guess what? Not everyone agrees on what music they like. When someone pans an album you like, it is not a personal attack on you. It does not mean they are "wrong." It seems like some of you have persecution complexes and come on here solely to attack "indie snobs" or "frat boys" or whatever for making you feel bad about the music you like. Life will not constantly validate you and your interests, so lighten up a bit. Or, continue crying yourself to sleep at night while you masturbate, fantasizing about Pitchfork giving the new System of a Down CD a 10.0.
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dude, there's no way you could know that!...or is there?! get out of my brain! ...and stop watching me masturbate!
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Been a fan since the day Pretty Hate Machine came out, and I think it's great that Trent has evolved his style over time. Sure, the angst stuff may not be relevant anymore, but the album is an ode, or fuck you, to the people that ruined Nothing Records, which has been his baby since Day One. I'd be pretty pissed if backstabbing took place of my passion and ruined it.
Maybe Trent isn't hip anymore, but I think the last person to care is him. To me, the music is great on the new album, and should stand the test of time.
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Actually, Mender, you should get that freckle checked out. It was tough to see from your closet in the dark, but it looked bigger than last time.
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i know that it isn't hip or groundbreaking or whatever, but i have listened to "with teeth" (according to itunes) more than any other album released this year. is it as good as okkervil river, m.i.a., lcd soundsystem, the cure remasters, beck, spoon, or (insert yr. favorite album here)? probably not. but i can't stop listening to it and i'm not sure why i've given it more spins than the above mentioned albums. the only cds i've listened to about as often recently are can's "ege bamyasi", swans "the great annhilator", and pere ubu's "dub housing". i personally could give a flying fuck what rating it got from pitchfork. may the pretty hate live in our hearts forever.
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I really hated With Teeth at first, but it grew on me. I think it's a really good album. Maybe 3/4ths great. (Saggy midsection.) The lyrics are stereotypically Reznor, you say? Bah. Robert Smith's lyrics have been stereotypically Cure since probably Pornography and nobody complains. And since when did we listen to Nine Inch Nails for lyrics? Yeah, it's poppy, but not in a bad way. And considering The Fragile was the sound of an artist disappearing inside his own asshole, I think poppy was probably a smart move. And a good-sounding move at that. This is the first NiN record since Pretty Hate Machine that's actually fun to listen to. It makes me dance, so it can't be that bad, right?
Speaking of dancing, DFA just did a "Hand That Feeds" remix and I just can't fucking wait. Go to Pitchfork now and read that James Murphy interview. He gives Reznor a huge shoutout. Pitchfork also reviewed With Teeth today. It got a 6.5, a rating I agree with. (Again, saggy midsection.) Not that a positive Pitchfork review necessarilly means anything. I'm just using Pitchfork and Murphy to counter claims that NiN just ain't hip anymore.
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I do agree that new Weezer sucks, though. And I really enjoyed both Maladroit and Green Album. The lyrics are trite, there's not a single catchy chorus, and every song is probably 1.5 minutes longer than it should be. I never would've expected a Rick Rubin production to be this glossy, either.
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I thought it was a good album. I fail to see how scenesters would have any interest in an album like this, other than its being made by a fairly well-known band. I am so fucking tired of people bitching about bands' new albums in comparison to a previous work. You're right--it's no Downward Spiral. Thank Jebus! Imagine if our favorite artists kept regurgitating the same crap over and over. Oh wait, then the indie scenesters would have more to bitch about. Right.
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I wasn't that pleased with the single, but some of the songs are amazing. The songs are really kinda mellow compared to his older stuff, but that's like comparing Back in Black to Thunderstruck. Diffrent albums and motivations, still good. Trent is still awesome, if a bit melodramatic. Then again, who the fuck isn't melodramatic in this place? lol
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fuck a pitchfork.
those guys can suck it.
NIN still brings the heat, like it or not.
if not, just push up those horn rims and cue up more of that sad bastard music - i'm sure there are still more tears you can cry over arcade fire and effing spoon.
jayzus...
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"if not, just push up those horn rims and cue up more of that sad bastard music - i'm sure there are still more tears you can cry over arcade fire and effing spoon."
Did you ever wonder why people seem to come to this site when they don't like the kind of music it refers to (like that System of a Down guy the other day)? And decide to comment? Don't they get bored reading about music they don't like? I'm really asking, I'm not being sarcastic.
I don't listen to rap, so it would never even occur to me to go find some websites about rap and then post a bunch of comments complaining about how it sucks. You know what I mean? What's the point?
And with comments like the one above, does the author think people who like the arcade fire and spoon are cringing as they read it, thinking, "Oh my god some random loser on a website insulted my taste! I am so crushed! It's like my whole world is being turned upside down!"
Sorry about the long comment. To not be totally off-topic, I think the new NIN is OK, but I don't find myself picking it out to listen much, but that probably says more about the fact that I am pretty indifferent to NIN than anything about the album itself!
That mashup of "The Hand That Feeds" with the Ghostbusters theme song was awesome though!
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Why is everyone cutting up the new Weezer CD? I think it's great; lyrics are a bit odd, but still deserves a better rating than Pitchfork gave it.
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seriously you people need to stop eating right out of Pitchfork's hand. Try out Fluxblog for a make believe review and debate. Check out Rolling Stone...but stay the hell away from PM they will RUIN music for you. Decide what you like, and don't have it based on what some dude who is probably the same age as your dad wandering around with a hemp messenger bag has to say baout it. The new weezer is definitely worth checking out. It's all in the irony...they're a pop band, and it comes across on the cd..if you want things to be the 'way they were' [Good point, Loren] then maybe you should have just given up on music a long time ago. There is no pleasing anyone these days, It's fucking pathetic. THey didnt change at all, so I hate it. What?? This is TOO different, I hate it. When weezer released a greatest hits album all your narks will be running [preferably with scissors, plz] to buy it up..so stop being hypocritical and just enjoy what's out there instead of trying to point out every single flaw down to the last tee. It's okay to be constructive, to think critically about the music, but if you're anywhere as analytical as someone who works at PM you are totally missing out.
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I guess the NIN and System of a Down posts are the only times I've been tempted to comment here, though I've been reading this blog (as well as Fluxblog and NYLPM and I Love Music) for a long while. Why? I don't know, I guess both bands fall in this awkward category of too-popular-to-be-hip, and they don't have any sense of irony, and yet I really like a good deal of their music.
Kind of like one person who posted above, I've been playing the hell out of Can (Tago Mago), Pere Ubu's Dub Housing, PiL (Flowers of Romance), and Swans lately. Love the percussion on the NIN record. Then I put on Greed/Holy Money and discovered it sounded a lot better than I'd remembered. But, again, why think about how music works, when I can just throw out a snarky excuse for not paying attention?
I tend to think that if most of the dialogue about music encourages most people to be mortally afraid of taking any of it seriously, we're only going to be in for more shitty music.
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The new weezer album is seriously bad. Wtf wailing keyboards! And these are not sweet, sweet rentals moog synths either. The whole album is total crap save for Beverly Hills which leads you to "make believe" the album might be good but even that single wasn't so great. I'm an early Weezer fan and the while the green album and malidroit weren't great they were at least passable. Make Bellive is absolute garbage. Please tell me fans what you think the next single could possibly be on this album?
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the new NIN album is damn good. Don't let the snobbery fool you. It's full of solid, catchy songs. Quite the opposite of the Fragile (which was a great album in it's own way). Superb production as usual. I bought it and was very pleasantly suprised.
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the term hipster is the new "The Man".
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I guess the new NIN album is all right. It has a more "instrumental" sound to it and there's far less hardcore mechanical sounds (which was one of the things I enjoyed about NIN) so I suppose that was Reznor's way of mixing shit up a little bit. Of course, I've never really listened to the lyrics since the dude is old enough to be my Dad; and if my Dad started singing this shit I'd probably beat him. Or just roll my eyes.
There are a few fun songs that make you wanna get up and dance which is pretty damn weird for an industrial album but it works out somehow for With Teeth. Other than that there's nothing much to get excited over and there's nothing really ground-breaking or new to hear if you're the adventerous type when it comes to tunes.
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Why do blogs get all the love in the world?
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hey 15-minute hipster:
the funny thing is that i DO like the music that's referenced on this site, even 'sad bastard music' like arcade fire. what i don't like is when fans of that stuff think they can just go off on an act like NIN just because it's something entirely 'other' than that. do i expect fellow stereogum people to like stuff like NIN? not really. but i have to admit that as much as i enjoy lots of the new indie brigade (sufjan stevens has been rocking my world lately), the attitude that seems to come with it often leaves much to be desired...
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With Teeth isn't all that bad. True fans of music will understand (as dumb as that sounded..) Indie kids just don't get it, especially the super-hip elitist kind.
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Indie kids were high school kids (or younger!) when The Fragile came out. This record just sucks.
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I prefer "Not For All The Love In The World" by The Thrills.
tinymixtapes usually doesn't impress me, but that just made me laugh and laugh.
yes, the new =W= sucks.
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...pathetic and embarassing...
wow, are you off.
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newave...the whole MB album is full of singles. That's the idea.
but if i were to guess I'd say we are all on drugs or this is such a pity will be next to see radio play.
It's really tiring to hear ppl complain about music when they've a)NOT heard the whole album, or b) only listened to it once. be open minded, people.
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I think the new album is great. I guess it's not "cool" to like NIN anymore. Whatever.
I agree, though, that the new Weezer album is forgettable. It's not bad, just forgettable.
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I've been a fan of NIN longer than any of you!! My opinion about them is therefore more valid than yours! The new album RAWKS and you are all jerks for not thinking so too! Arcade Fire is dumb! Exclamation points prove that I am serious!!
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I love the new NIN....AND i love Arcade Fire and Spoon, M.I.A. and LCD....so go figure.
AND I love the new Sufjan....so go figure again.
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yes, because everyone who dislikes the new NIN is a hipster and everyone who likes it is "into music".
You're all fuckin retards and the new NIN sucks.
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i was slightly disappointed by the new NIN at first, mostly because my expectation level was so high...but its an album that gets better the more you listen. the problem is, most of the bands indie hipsters like fall out of favor and are no longer cool to like after 45 minutes and 'with teeth' is 56 minutes long...do the math. its 6:36pm pst may 12...does conor oberst suck yet?
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Just buy a old Nugent 8 track on e-bay, It will all be okay...
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the NIN album is not shitty at all, it's very good, and i'm getting sick of these losers hating on everything just because they think it's the cool thing 2 do. pitchfork is pretentious bullshit. think for yourselves.
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yale bloor you're a fucking idiot...yeah ted nugent and nine inch nails soooooo fucking alike. moron dilettante.
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Damn. I just got that cd. The juxtaposition between the first two songs is brilliant, but then the rest of the albumn falls flat on its ass. Almost every song follows the same format: Starts off with a simple, driving beat, trent screams or whispers (pick one), then ends with Trent repeating the refrain over and over again till everything fades. Its like Reznor felt rushed and made half the songs with the same format. Dissapointing.
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Coming from a life long fan- the new Weezer is awful. Time to hang up the sweaters fellas. It'd be nice if they wrote songs that grown men should be singing and not stuff like "Beverly Hills". Give me a break, they should tour with Good Charlotte.
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Yo... I've been a NIN fan since they came out (yeah i'm old) and i have to agree with *scrolling up* about 65% of the blogs here... The new album is definitely Trent-worthy. I miss the old days of thrash rock like Broken and Pretty Hate Machine, but sometimes it's nice to grit your teeth and get introspective. The last track on the album is fookin ubah, I've got it set to repeat atm. Very sad to hear that Weezer's new stuff sucks, I guess I won't be buying it...
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by they way, could someone give me a link to that remix you were talking about earlier?
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I've always loved NIN, and haven't played "With Teeth" enough yet to know if I like it. But that is one hell of a funny link.
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I think it's funny how no one has really mentioned any of the tracks on "With Teeth". Has anyone really listened to the whole album a few times or have you just heard the single???
Fave tracks (in order):
All The Love In The World
Right Where It Belongs
Only
The Line Begins To Blur
The Hand That Feeds
Beside You In Time
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this is a work of art...whether you love it or hate it doesnt fuckin matter.
art simply exists and you can make the choice to pick sides, if youd like.
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I think it's sheer brilliance. No lie, one of the best albums in the last 10 years. It's well produced, well written, and some of the songs feel very personal.
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[WITH_TEETH] is da shit
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I thought it was a good album personally. I don't like most angst stuff because it's sappy and fake, but I don't give a shit whether it's trendy or not. He wasn't just pretending to be deep - he was deep. Unique, and easy to listen to.
Rather witty way to express not liking it though. :)
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This is the first NIN album I've listened to, and it's really good imho. A perfect mash of electronics and rock. *thumbs up*
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i love every one of nin inch nails' cds as well as the mixes trent tends to do with his songs. the new cd with teeth is a lot different from most of the previous work, especially since there are no instrumentals on this new cd. however he has also just been clean of serious drugs and alcohol use (since i guess the early 90's? not sure...) for only almost four years (most of which he was working on this album i assume). i guess you just have to have listened to more of nine inch nails than just the newest cd and expect to know whether or not theyre good just by that. ive been to the philly and ny shows so far in 05 and am going to the ones in atlantic city, virginia, and south carolina in march 06. they are extremely awesome in concert. sigh. i guess im just a really big fan and i hate when people dont realize that theres so much more to a band than just their newest cd and whatnot. o well. byebye.
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