Punk's 50 Greatest Albums
Twenty five years into its publishing history, the UK's most widely circulated weekly music mag Kerrang! offers up its list for the finest punk records of all time. The ranking comes by way of PSNYC, who adds, "it's a piece of shit." Here it goes:
50. Killing Joke -- Killing Joke (1980)
49. G.B.H. -- Leather, Bristles, Studs And Acne (1981)
48. Poison Idea -- Feel The Darkness (1990)
47. A.F.I. -- Black Sails In The Sunset (1999)
46. Napalm Death -- Scum (1987)
45. Stiff Little Fingers -- Inflammable Material (1979)
44. Will Haven -- El Diablo (1997)
43. Green Day -- Nimrod (1997)
42. The Get Up Kids -- Something To Write Home About (1999)
41. Social Distortion -- White Light White Heat White Trash (1996)
40. Supersuckers -- The Evil Powers Of Rock 'N' Roll (1999)
39. Dwarves -- Are Young And Good Looking (1997)
38. Less Than Jake -- Hello Rockview (1998)
37. Bad Religion -- Suffer (1988)
36. The Mighty Mighty Bosstones -- Let's Face It (1997)
35. The Misfits -- Static Age (1978)
34. Sublime -- Sublime (1996)
33. The Descendents -- Milo Goes To College (1982)
32. Quicksand -- Manic Compression (1995)
31. Cro-Mags -- Age Of Quarrel (1986)
30. The Exploited -- Punks Not Dead (1981)
29. Rocket From the Crypt -- Scream Dracula, Scream! (1995)
28. Refused -- The Shape Of Punk To Come (1998)
27. Operation Ivy -- Energy (1989)
26. The Vandals -- Hitler Bad, Vandals Good (1998)
25. Crass -- Feeding Of The 5000 (1978)They've included some goodies, but the ranking's an anarchic mess! How punk.
24. The Ruts -- The Crack (1979)
23. NOFX -- So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes (1997)
22. Buzzcocks -- Love Bites (1978)
21. Bad Brains -- Rock For Light (1983)
20. The Offspring -- Americana (1998)
19. The Undertones -- The Undertones (1979)
18. The Stooges -- Raw Power (1973)
17. Minor Threat -- Complete Discography (1989)
16. Black Flag -- Damaged (1981)
15. The Stooges -- Fun House (1970)
14. Blink-182 -- Enema Of The State (1999)
13. The Clash -- London Calling (1979)
12. Fugazi -- Repeater (1990)
11. NOFX -- Punk In Drublic (1994)
10. Ramones -- Ramones (1976)
9. The Damned -- Machine Gun Etiquette (1979)
8. The Clash -- The Clash (1977)
7. Discharge -- Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing (1982)
6. Rancid -- ...And Out Come the Wolves (1995)
5. The Offspring -- Smash (1994)
4. Nirvana -- Nevermind (1991)
3. Dead Kennedys -- Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables (1980)
2. Green Day -- Dookie (1994)
1. Sex Pistols -- Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols (1977)
Posted at 11:16 AM in Shit List
Tags: Dead Kennedys | Green Day | Nirvana | Sex Pistols | The Clash
Weird that they include Nirvana and Blink-182 but no Mekons, Fall, Gang of Four... Hard to tell what's punk and what's not.
No riot grrl stuff either. Did that not get to England? Sleater-Kinney isn't punk?
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Why are the majority of the albums in this list from the 90s..what utter bullshit. :|
And who put Offspring, Rancid and Green Dayy ahead of London Calling?
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Yup, Punk is officially dead.
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Love what you've done with the font on the front page! Italics are the best
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No New York Dolls. No Cramps. No Richard Hell.
And TWO OFFSPRING ALBUMS?
Did noodles write this list?
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It's an awful, awful list, but there is something wonderfully satisfying about Rancid's ...And Out Come The Wolves and NOFX's So Long and Thanks For All the Shoes getting some recognition.
We all know of all the cool punk bands to like (Clash, Buzzcocks, Gang of Four, Television, Stooges, etc) but some of that 90's stuff is really great and sadly overlooked.
Rancid's Wolves is like a recreation of London Calling for skaters (what is it, 19 tracks? Not a filler song among them). Thanks for all the shoes is an amazingly strong album that rocks harder and angrier than any of NOFX's other albums yet it's not even properly received by NOFX fans.
I know most of us are over these kinds of bands today, but these two albums, and a couple others, are held by me in as high esteem as some of the albums by real "artists" of the 90's.
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It's not the inclusion of Green Day or Get up Kids that appalls me so much as their choice of albums...
Actually, while Get-Up Kids is one of my favorite bands of all time, I would NEVER put them on a punk list, even if "8 MInute Mile" never gets old and could be a good emo inclusion.
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I dont think ...And out come the wolves was misplaced, but I'm completely SHOCKED that London Calling is #12. Especially considering that this list was compiled in England? If the rationale is london calling is their mainstream sellout album, why is blink 182/enema of the state even on the list? I'd give 'em dude ranch, but come on.. "all the small things" runner up to london calling???
Punk is dead.
I'm suprised The Stooges didn't have some higher rankings. Someone may correct me on my history, but without the Stooges, the existence or success of the rest of these bands is questionable.
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I guess kerrang still thinks that only dudes can make punk? The Mighty Mighty Bosstones? This list should be called "Top 50 Mallternative Albums for skater kids who bought their Crass T-shirt at Hot Topic."
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There were some very good, listen-able albums in the 90s it's true, but better than London Calling? What the hell! I LOVED The Offspring album Smash (still do) but there's no way it's better than London Calling!
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Carson makes a good point--for too long, the lists have always stuck to a canonical doctrine that required one Clash record (or two--one after they "went reggae"), a Siouxsie record, a NYDolls record . . . but nothing of the "third wave" or pop punk.
It's a crap list, but interesting that it attempts to bring some newer artists into the canon.
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This is an odd list. Anyone notice that the ONLY Social D album is the crappy 96 White Light White Heat?! WOW!
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That list is pretty bad. Where the hell is "Up The Bracket" by The Libertines??
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Quite possibly the most pathetic "list" I've ever seen. It's early and I'm groggy and without even looking at my collection these ICONIC bands are nowhere on the list:
Husker Du
Minutemen
Replacements
Circle Jerks
Naked Raygun
Meat Puppets
Dead Kennedys
X
Wipers
Fear
Germs
T.S.O.L.
Suicidal Tendencies
and not that they belong on my above list, but no:
Pennywise
Bouncing Souls
Zeke
New Bomb Turks
Silly lists......oatmeal's getting cold.
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Two words: Marquee Moon
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The list may be expansive in terms of time period, which is fine, but it's really weak in terms of the diversity that characterized punk from the beginning. Aside from the Ramones, the whole CBGB's/Max's crowd is ignored (no Patti Smith, Television, Richard Hell, Talking Heads). Even if you assume that Gang of Four, the Slits, Devo, and others aren't on there due to arguable post-punk status, I don't see how you can ignore the New York crowd. Also, if Black Flag can make it, the Minutemen and X should be on there, too.
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I think they mistakenly put a '3' in front of that '1' for Cro-Mags - Age of Quarrel.
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I guess kerrang still thinks that only dudes can make punk? The Mighty Mighty Bosstones? This list should be called "Top 50 Mallternative Albums for skater kids who bought their Crass T-shirt at Hot Topic."
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my god. that list looks to have been made at a conference of Hot Topic assistant managers. It is appalling.
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What?! No Sum-41???
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There were some very good, listen-able albums in the 90s it's true, but better than London Calling? What the hell! I LOVED The Offspring album Smash (still do) but there's no way it's better than London Calling!
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The Exploding Hearts...
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What a horrible list.
20. The Offspring -- Americana (1998)???????
And if you're going to have Nirvana on there at least have Incesticide, Nevermind isn't really punk.
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I think we can all agree that (insert influential, credibility building, iconic artiste from back in a time when music must have been better here) should be on this list. But that's all that ever gets discussed with these types of lists. It's boring. The next person who even mentions the Minutemen, Television, Gang of Four, etc, will be labelled, by me, a boring person.
Now how about those 90's picks? What are your fave punk albums of the 90's (or even 00's)? What albums do you still hold near and dear to your heart?
I'll start:
Rancid: Let's Go all the way til the 2000 self-titled album.
NoFX: White Trash, So Long, The Decline
Lagwagon: Hoss, Let's Talk About Feelings
Hot Water Music: No Division
Millencolin: Pennybridge Pioneers
None of those are Pitchfork approved albums, (well, except for Let's Talking About Feelings...check it out for yourself), but they are all favorites of mine.
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Five Words: Are You Fucking Kidding Me?
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No "New Day Rising" or "Double Nickels On The Dime"??
This list is pathetic...
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um, no mention of the Velvets? aren't they the official godfathers of punk?
no dead boys? no dictators? no television?
any list that puts green day "dookie" above iggy's "raw power" is just plain wrong.
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Five Words: Are You Fucking Kidding Me?
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nol and kevon are boring
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I always wonder what people mean when they use the word "best" on these lists. Do they give more weight to pioneers, to bands whose music is catchier, or some other criteria? In terms of catchiness this list is pretty awful.
How could anyone possibly rank Operation Ivy below Rancid? Even if you're biased against ska-punk (and with good reason considering all the AWFUL ska-punk bands that exist), Operation Ivy is one of the first punk bands people tend to get into for a reason.
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bad brains s/t > rock for light
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"London Calling" may have had twice as many songs or so, but stuff like "What's My Name," "White Riot" and "Career Opportunities" on The Clash's self-titled debut. But they're still The Only Band That Ever Mattered, and "LC" is way too low on this list.
"Americana" is shite -- has no place on this list.
"Dookie" at #2? Fuck off.
AFI on the list anywhere? Johnny Cash had more punk in a single pubic hair than all of AFI could dream.
No Misfits in the top 25? The Kerrang writers should punch themselves in the balls repeatedly.
Johnny Thunders is rolling in his grave.
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for the 90's-00's thing
Dillinger Four - Midwestern Songs, Versus God
Lagwagon - Hoss
Rancid - And Out Come the Wolves, Life Won't Wait (Their sandanista)
Ghost of Lester Bangs - What the Morning'll Let Me Remember (ridiculously good album)
American Steel - their second album
Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
NOFX - Heavy Petting Zoo
Lawrence Arms - Oh Calcutta
Against Me! - Reinventing Axl Rose
Millencolin is def a good call.
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totally fucking absurd.
pffft.
no richard hell.
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This list fails on account of not having Wire's Pink Flag on it.
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This list fails on account of not having Wire's Pink Flag on it.
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i actually wrote this list when i was 13, stored it away, and kerrrang found it and decided to publish it.
and what is product shop doing telling any other publication that they're "shit" ??
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london calling. 13. why?
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The only modern punk they got right was Op Ivy (sweet!), and NOFX Punk in Drublic. Otherwise, it's crap.
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everyone's right about the fall, gang of four, television, etc, etc. the list is shite for not having those.
operation ivy should definitely be way higher. and if we're going to mention ska-punk, of which i'm with Chuck's opinion that the genre is worth putting on a punk list, then we gotta also mention Slapstick. they're limited catalogue is pretty tits. unfortunately, there are so many terrible ska-punk bands, so the few good ones are overlooked.
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speechless.
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I agree that it's odd that no girls are on this list. I mean not even a token nod. I know Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, the Slits, S-K, L7, The Runaways have all made better albums than some of the stuff on this list. Sonic Youth, Blondie, The Pretenders? Does the entire UK think only dudes can make good punk rock?
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for the 90's-00's thing
Dillinger Four - Midwestern Songs, Versus God
Lagwagon - Hoss
Rancid - And Out Come the Wolves, Life Won't Wait (Their sandanista)
Ghost of Lester Bangs - What the Morning'll Let Me Remember (ridiculously good album)
American Steel - their second album
Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
NOFX - Heavy Petting Zoo
Lawrence Arms - Oh Calcutta
Against Me! - Reinventing Axl Rose
Millencolin is def a good call.
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What an odd, and awful list. Some of the albums and artists are really good, but it just seems badly put together and thought out.
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It's criminal that Husker Du's "Zen Arcade" was omitted.
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It's criminal that Husker Du's "Zen Arcade" was omitted.
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Where is Pink Flag?!?
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How does "Dookie" beat the first Ramones record?
I mean, that's nothing short of a travesty.
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Oh wonderful. the list really is a pice of shite. But don't blame it. It's the adjective "Greatest" that really sets it off. If those smart little people in offices came up with some other adjective for their lists we could have some good discourse. All i'm saying is that it seems that mags try to create "greatest album" lists that crappily try to mix classics (to please traditionalists) and experimental/unloved (to please fans). That being said ..
where's VU's debut!? Or Marquee Moon, The Record by Fear, maybe even Talking Heads' 77 or even further out there Neu! 75. "Hero" has got more loud and punk than .. Hello Rockview. How can Less Than Jake share, no less be ranked above Social D on this list.. what is punk, again?
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oof - Warp tour bias. Punk is dead - and that's ok!
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Phil Manning nailed it on the head with the list of very crucial bands/albums missing from this list. How there can be no mention of Minutemen (What Makes a Man Start Fire or, hell, Double Nickles on the Dime) or perhaps the best punk band every Bad Brains (I Against I is still one of the best records EVER MADE) makes me hang my head!
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oof - Warp tour bias. Punk is dead - and that's ok!
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blink-182?
come on now!
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uh, Pink Flag?
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Bouncing Souls
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Also, if you're going to include Green Day, how can you leave out "1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours" or "Kerplunk"? Those records kick the shit out of anything they put out on Reprise.
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How come no one's mentioned Pink Flag, Marquee Moon or Double Nickels on the Dime yet? And what about the first VU album? How come no one here has even tried to mention these great albums that were missing from a dumb list by a dumb magazine?
The only good stuff that has ever come out came out in the late 70's and early 80's. Am I right people?
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to be fair, kerrang's target audience is 16 year old kids. i imagine most of them are already familiar with green day/ blink 182 etc etc and this list will primarilly serve as an introduction to the more established classic albums on there. obviously it misses loads of great stuff out, but when was the last time you saw a list that didn't?
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to be fair, kerrang's target audience is 16 year old kids. i imagine most of them are already familiar with green day/ blink 182 etc etc and this list will primarilly serve as an introduction to the more established classic albums on there. obviously it misses loads of great stuff out, but when was the last time you saw a list that didn't?
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wow! a list! how very fucking punk rock!
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ed wins the comments.
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NO GERMS!
No Black Flag!
No X?
No listmaker are you!
I deride your essence of what is best punk, you stink pisshead!
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Hello?
No Wire- Pink Flag?
Was this list compiled by anyone who has actually heard of punk?
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Wow this list takes me back to high school. Rancid was my favorite band for a good part of tenth grade, and though a lot of it seems kind of silly now, ..And Out Come the Wolves and especially Life Won't Wait were awesome. And it's cool to see Op Ivy get some respect, they were a great band, even if they did pave the way for a lot of godawful 90s ska-punk.
Sublime and Green Day, though? I mean, they were fun when I was 15, but can you imagine listening to that shit now?
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i feel cheated.
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No Sum 41?!?! I'm not being ironic. I think they're crap, but I'm shocked they didn't make this list.
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how is Fucked Up "Epics in Minutes" not on there? blink 182? kill me.
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Yer a riot, Carson.
X beats Lagwagon hands down.
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they forgot to add hilary duff's metamorphosis.... and everyone knows that blink 182 nofx the mighty mighty bosstones afi and sublime is like some much more punk rock than new york dolls the cramps the slits and televison. maybe not the fall....where the FUCK is white light white heat.
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There should be nothing on that last past 1985.
Green Day? AFI? Nirvana?? [sigh]
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There should be nothing on that list past 1985.
Green Day? AFI? Nirvana?? [sigh]
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You know what, Carson, if you didn't actually see any of those bands, or discover punk through those records then piss off. At best your being entirely disingenuous. It's a comment board for christsake. You know, where people make comments about some dumb list by a dumb magazine. It's great you love you some 90s punk. But is it really more boring for a handful of people to have essentially the same reaction than for you to repeatedly point that out?
But, yeah, punk is dead.
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I'm upset over their failure to include Wire's Pink Flag and Mission of Burma's Signals, Calls and Marches EP.
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I have one word to describe this list: bollocks. absoloute drevel. terrible. horrible. how could you list green day above the clash? absoloute disgrace.
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I have one word to describe this list: bollocks. absoloute drevel. terrible. horrible. how could you list green day above the clash? absoloute disgrace.
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I'm telling you...the English are idiots.
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this is a joke right, an outright insult
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I'm at an absolute loss for words. This list is just wrong on so many levels. It was like Kerrang said "Hey, let's piss off everyone!" and this is the ensuing result. Green Day #2? Blink 182 is not only on the list, but AHEAD of the Stooges, Black Flag and Minor Threat? I have to stop. The taste of vomit is really overpowering.
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I know this is a typically-hipster-blacklashing-
anything-because-I'm-too-cool-for-it sor of thing to say, but is Never Mind The Bollocks really THAT GOOD? I'm saying this because in all honesty I've never listened to the whole thing. But come on, weren't The Ramones more influential to punk, and The Clash more important? And as for Nevermind... is that even punk?
Now, the idiotic, sure to be mocked capper to this post: Ok, if you have to put a Green Day album on a list like this, shouldn't it be American Idiot? Um, not that I've listened to Green Day, or anything like that. No way.
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No Germs? Bah.
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efffffff that.
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Okay people: Yes, they left out a LOT of great bands and the order isn't perfect. But SERIOUSLY, why do you take it so personally? It shouldn't be something that ruins your day!
And Rude Boy: You obviously haven't heard AFI's Black Sails in The Sunset if you're calling them unpunk. So why don't you actually have something to base your opinion on before you just start dissing, okay?
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The Libertines-Up The Bracket should definitely be on the list. The fact that it isn't shows that the whole list is probably bullshit, which it is. Change #2 from Greenday to Libertines and the list would improve drastically. Greenday is complete crap. The top ten should contain the following bands: Libertines, Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Clash, New York Dolls, Stooges, Television, Nirvana, Rancid, Dead Kennedys.
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no Wire, X, or Gang of Four truly is a crime.
My own personal list would also include:
Swell Maps: "A trip to marineville"
Pere Ubu: "The Modern Dance"
The Modern Lovers s/t
Those last two might not be officially "punk" though...
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worst list ever.
where is Germs,TSOL,Adolescents,Zero Boys,Sham 69,Angry Samoans,johnny Thunders,The Dolls,X,avengers,7 Seconds,Flipper,Cock Sparrer,Anti Nowhere League,Forgotten Rebels,Teenage Head,DOA,Eskorbuto,Blind Pigs, 2 minutos,etc etc etc.
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worst list ever!
At least it has black flag, dead kennedys, bad brains and minor threat (arguably the best). but come on, there are plenty that were left off, like Government Issue, The Meatmen, 7 Seconds, GBH, Youth Brigade, Flipper, Circle Jerks, DRI, among others.
Punk rock died when the first kid said, "punk's not dead, punk's not dead"
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It's like David Berman said, "Punk rock died when the first kid said punk's not dead."
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What about X, or the Buzzcocks? Pretty lame
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Since we are talking about punk i though i'd invite you all to watch "Bad Brains - Live At CBGB 1982". I have the entire dvd playing at my blog. enjoy!
http://www.artifacting.com/blog/2006/10/13/the-end-of-an-era/
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Since we are talking about punk i though i'd invite you all to watch "Bad Brains - Live At CBGB 1982". I have the entire dvd playing at my blog. enjoy!
http://www.artifacting.com/blog/2006/10/13/the-end-of-an-era/
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I used to think I was punk in junior high, but I have to say that Less Thank Jake's "Hello Rockview" is still a damn fine record through and through.
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A "Punk's 50 Greatest Albums" list???! FINALLY!
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Geezer, I love Marquee Moon, and I consider Los Angeles, Double Nickels, Fun House, Singles Going Steady, etc, to be among my favorite albums of all time. But when I see people referencing these same albums over and over again I see it as nothing more than credibility flexing.
People like Steve say that there should be nothing on the list past 1985, which is a dumbshit comment if I ever read one.
I'm just saying, we ALL know what albums really should be on the list. But what about the ones actually on there? Some of them are actually really good.
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If you stop talking about crap lists, people will stop publishing crap lists.
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I am disgusted with the list of whatever you want to call. Although pioneers in the movement of their sounds, Nirvana is not punk. Although Courtney was tied to bands such as the Mentors before the death of Kurt. Now on to some of the other bands, Get Up Kids. Gay!!! Blink 182????? give me a break. Offspring??????? Another what the hell is that.
Now GBH should be higher. What about Agnostic Front? the Business? Pennywise definitely deserves more then they got,7 Seconds, Specials, .....Oi Polloi..... so many bands that were way better. WHAT ABOUT THE DEAD BOYS??????
This survey is a bust.
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how can you not include Slits cut album on this list?
trade it for less than jake!
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I agree with the person who said 'anything past 1985 should be off this retarded list. It is not a dumbshit comment..its a fact. There is not such a thing as a decent punk band in the 90s and well, most of the 80s as well. Anyone who knows jackshit about punk, knows this.
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Chill out everybody... without Green Day or Blink, most kids would probably never have heard about punk anyway so that's why they're on the list
And to everybody who says that there shouldnt be an album made after 1985 on the list, well in 1985 punk was supposed to be dead too so...
oh yeah and Television is not punk
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What??? The Beach Boys "Love You" aint on the top fifty?? WTF?? Brian is gonna be pissed!
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what a sexist load of shit. bratmobile would make blink 182 cry like little sissies, and carrie from sleater-kinney is a better musician than all the members of all the crap 90s so-cal pop punk bands put together. i probably could have made this list when i was 13, but when i was 13 i was just packing up my sweet valley high books for storage, so i was too busy to compile shitty uninformed lists. and what about x, xray spex, blondie, patti smith, lydia lunch, etc. eff, the first liz phair album is more punk rock than "americana".
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The Stooges should definitely be higher. Funhouse is not only the best punk album of all time, but one of the best albums of any genre. And what about the Gun Club? The Fire of Love is an amaaaazing album.
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bad religion needs to be higher, as does the clash, but i do think dookie is amazing
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What is punk?
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Where is Mrs. Lennon in all of this? If Yoko Ono's FLY album or AIU isnt punk, what is?
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There was lots of good punk in the 90's. Bad Religion, Pennywise, NOFX,Dwarves, and a lot more. Millencollin..also good. Nirvana is good but not punk. Blink 182 and green day are not punk and they suck. Misfits should have more than one album on there and so should bad religion. Every epitaph band wouldn't exist if it wasn't for them. and the clash and all those 70's bands fucking SUCK. AFI sucks now, but i was happy to see black sails on there...although i prefer shut your mouth and open your eyes.
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There was lots of good punk in the 90's. Bad Religion, Pennywise, NOFX,Dwarves, and a lot more. Millencollin..also good. Nirvana is good but not punk. Blink 182 and green day are not punk and they suck. Misfits should have more than one album on there and so should bad religion. Every epitaph band wouldn't exist if it wasn't for them. and the clash and all those 70's bands fucking SUCK. AFI sucks now, but i was happy to see black sails on there...although i prefer shut your mouth and open your eyes.
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Let's get one thing straight, those of you that don't think Gang of Four should be on this list are idiots. Bands of their type and vintage broke new ground..unlike hardly any bands these days. Also where's Echo & the Bunnymen...criminal. The inclusion of Blink 182 and the like makes this a joke...which i believe is precisely what the magazine wanted..they knew it was a load of crap and just wanted to generate interest. I actually like Green Day,but there's no way they're better or more influential than the Clash,Damned,Echo,the Ramones, and even the Talking Heads in the early days. Ciao.
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For sure the list needs:
Patti Smith
Agent Orange
NY Dolls
Husker Du
Circle Jerks
Then some crossover bands:
Violent Femmes
The Kinks
Talking Heads
The Pretenders
I could go on and on - that is how it is with lists and opinions. In my opinion the list has too many 90's groups that I wouldn't really consider Punk. But opinions are like certain body parts...
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For sure the list needs:
Patti Smith
Agent Orange
NY Dolls
Husker Du
Circle Jerks
Then some crossover bands:
Violent Femmes
The Kinks
Talking Heads
The Pretenders
I could go on and on - that is how it is with lists and opinions. In my opinion the list has too many 90's groups that I wouldn't really consider Punk. But opinions are like certain body parts...
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they cant include all yor favorite bands for one so quit bashin good punk bands that still have a larger punk following then your other bands. like blink 182 they may not be the most punk"iest" band out ther but inst punk about living for the moment breaking the rules and going further and where none has gone before. and that is what most of these albums did
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they cant include all yor favorite bands for one so quit bashin good punk bands that still have a larger punk following then your other bands. like blink 182 they may not be the most punk"iest" band out ther but inst punk about living for the moment breaking the rules and going further and where none has gone before. and that is what most of these albums did
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hahahahahaha, great!
..what do you mean "this list isnt a joke"?
i know its been said, but what the fuck is blink doing on there? and before some of the most amazing bands of..ever.
i cant even put my thoughts into words. no TSOL, no Unseen, no gorilla biscuits, no leftover crack or CV, no INDK, no youth brigade...
throw away half this fuckin list right now.
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The sound and style of punk has changed with the times. I cannot quickly recall any "modern" style of music that has not changed over the last thirty years. I was glad to see SEX PISTOLS at #1. The Goo Goo Dolls had some great stuff b4 they became popular. They were punk for years.
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The sound and style of punk has changed with the times. I cannot quickly recall any "modern" style of music that has not changed over the last thirty years. I was glad to see SEX PISTOLS at #1. The Goo Goo Dolls had some great stuff b4 they became popular. They were punk for years.
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I may be old school but when I think PUNK I think RAMONES. Definite lack of respect to Joey, Johnny and Dee Dee who created much of the early buzz for Punk. Gabba, Gabba, Hey!
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How can you have a list of the best punk albums that does not include The Cars and the B-52s. This is like having a hall of fame without Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb.
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How can you have a list of the best punk albums that does not include The Cars and the B-52s. This is like having a hall of fame without Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb.
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How can you have a list of the best punk albums that does not include The Cars and the B-52s. This is like having a hall of fame without Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb.
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Are you fuckin' kidding me? This list is infested with corporate crap. Blink 182? Nirvana? The Offspring? Green Day? What a bunch of sell-outs.
Where's the Suicidal? DI? DRI? 7 seconds? Agent Orange? TSOL? Big Black? G.G. Allin?
DK--In God We Trust Inc. Nazi Punks Fuck Off.
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Are you fuckin' kidding me? This list is infested with corporate crap. Blink 182? Nirvana? The Offspring? Green Day? What a bunch of sell-outs.
Where's the Suicidal? DI? DRI? 7 seconds? Agent Orange? TSOL? Big Black? G.G. Allin?
DK--In God We Trust Inc. Nazi Punks Fuck Off.
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definately some bullshit!!!!!!! F#$%^&* emos
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Honestly, this list was compiled by someone who never grew up during the 70's. Sorry, but during the 70's bands like the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Velvet underground, Patti Smith, Lou Reed, Iggy were all the god fathers of punk and probably rank higher on this list. I guess the insertion of bands like Nirvana and blink were based more on their commercial success? Just very inaccurate and not at all completely thought out top 50 list of greatest punk bands.
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no gg allin, or fear. an how can any band from the late '90s get a top 25 listing when operation ivy doesn't get into the top 10.
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These people are fucking gone, half those bands have nothing to do with punk. Wheres the fucking New york dolls you morons?
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These people are fucking gone, half those bands have nothing to do with punk. Wheres the fucking New york dolls you morons?
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D.R.I
murphys law
fishbone
mucky pup
early chilly peppers (uplift mofo party plan ect.
)
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This list is complete bullshit. Crass should be at #1 and the only other band on that list worth mentioning is Discharge because they created
d-beat.
As for the fact that they didn't have one female group on there, I agree and unfortunatly I'm not surprised. Bikini Kill would have been a great mention as well as Wendy O and Nausea (whom should have been at #2). Also, Aus-Rotten is great as well. These were some of the bands I've known to extremely effect punk in the political and musical way. I didn't hear about women's rights (or should I say "womyn's rights"), animal rights, squatting and actually giving a fuck about the world until I heard the bands mentioned above.
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Lol @ Hot Topics assistant managers...
It's kind of funny, because I was looking at the coments, and pondering the list, and then I realized that it was actually going to be printed in a magazine. I mean, "punk" or not, it is a fairly ludicrous one.
Reading the words "the Exploding Hearts" made me sad, tho. :-|
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FUCK ALL OF U AGAINST GREEN DAY, GREEN DAY ROCKS!!! ALTHOUGH I DO AGREE THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME FEMALE BANDS UP THERE. ALSO IF THERE WEREN'T BANDS LIKE GREEN DAY FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS, THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT PUNK WAS OR WHAT OTHER BANDS, BECAUSE GREEN DAY DOES REFER TO OLDER BANDS BEFORE THEM, AND FROM THERE THEY LEARN. YOU CANT EXPECT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT IT IF THEY DIDN'T GROW UP IN THOSE YEARS. THEY HAVE TO FIND OUT FROM SOME WHERE! WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT, GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR BEING THERE FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS. ALSO AMERICAN IDIOT SHOULD BE ON THERE.
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What???? No Dead Milkmen???? Who the hell put this list together????
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uhhh, no rage against the machine, im calling shenanigans
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ok, so no Distillers. i can almost understand overlooking them since you can only include 50 albums...but the Dropkick Murphy's not on this list?!? Come on, even Scorcese put them on his Departed soundtrack. with all their great songs they should've been on here.
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Yes, What about the Dead Boys - Loud, Young and Snotty. I rememnber them when they were Frankenstein and playing in Cleveland during the mid 70's. Great band and Stiv Bator was one of the best front men.
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I don't think any band should have more than one album on this list. Put their best album on and leave room for bands that deserve to be on it and didn't get a shot. Either that or make it a Top 100. Actually both. Because there are at least fifty more that should be on there and aren't. Where are the Minute Men? Where's X? Where's Anti Pasti? Where's the Sub-Humans? Where are the UK Subs, The Dictators, the Melvins or the Meat Puppets, or about a dozen other bands I can think of? No Texas Bands? No Scratch Acid or Butthole Surfers? Their right! It is a piece of shit! Go buy a CBGB's Shower Curtain and get back to the drawing board!
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You're right! Where are The Dead Boys? Not to mention Johnny Thunders. The New York Dolls and MC-5 aren't exactly garage bands either . . . Where are they? Time for a newer better list guys.
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I do believe this list was made to piss people off, and, viewing it at 4 in the morning with a headcold, it succeeded. Congratulations.
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Blink 182 = bubble gum punk
Where's Wendy O, Pennywise etc..
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Add to the "MIA" bands:
Agnostic Front
The Weirdos
FEAR
Boomtown Rats
Plasmatics
DRI
Way too many "Pop-Punks"...was expecting Avril Levigne in the top 10.
:P
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since when is nirvana punk?
MIA - Naked Raygun
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since when is nirvana punk?
MIA - Naked Raygun
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Who made this list? Where is Dead kennedys, meat puppets , SOD ,Suicidal Tendencies? Why is blink 182 and others on this list just because the drummer has a mohawk and tattoos dont really make the band PUNK.
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Who made this list? Where is Dead kennedys, meat puppets , SOD ,Suicidal Tendencies? Why is blink 182 and others on this list just because the drummer has a mohawk and tattoos dont really make the band PUNK.
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Where are the Pixies?
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Where are the Pixies?
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Whom ever made up this list needs to repent.
Offspring? Green Day before London Calling? PLEASE!!!!!
How about SSD Control...Of course not.
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This is flat out funny. Not a whole lot of "punk" on this list. A complete fucking moron with little knowledge of music in general, let alone punk, made this one. Nice job asshole.
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This is flat out funny. Not a whole lot of "punk" on this list. A complete fucking moron with little knowledge of music in general, let alone punk, made this one. Nice job asshole.
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dude
yall are whinney little bitc*s hahahaa
shut the hell up! who cares if yall dont like the list it is compiled of what the public thinks is the best punk albums not what you want it to be
stop being self centered and be happy that theres a top 50 punk list to begin with!
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This list has to be a joke. This person doesn't know punk. Green Day!? Offspring!? I'm surprised U2 is missing from the list. lol ...NirVANA!???
Any punk list without Flesheaters or X is garbage.
lre
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I would never argue about the "greatest" anything. Except maybe toilet paper--because I need a really soft tissue--but the Subhumans "Cradle to the Grave" smokes everything on this list, whether or not it's the best...who really cares. Queen's "Sheer Heart Attack" was a great punk rock song. So was XTC's "Complicated Game." Oh, and I used to get the best "snoopy" acid at the 7 Seconds shows in San Francisco.
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I would never argue about the "greatest" anything. Except maybe toilet paper--because I need a really soft tissue--but the Subhumans’ "Cradle to the Grave" smokes everything on this list, whether or not it's the best...who really cares. Queen's "Sheer Heart Attack" was a great punk rock song. So was XTC's "Complicated Game." Oh, and I used to get the best "snoopy" acid at the 7 Seconds shows in San Francisco.
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I would never argue about the "greatest" anything. Except maybe toilet paper--because I need a really soft tissue--but the Subhumans’ "Cradle to the Grave" smokes everything on this list, whether or not it's the best...who really cares. Queen's "Sheer Heart Attack" was a great punk rock song. So was XTC's "Complicated Game." Oh, and I used to get the best "snoopy" acid at the 7 Seconds shows in San Francisco.
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Sorry about those multiple postings...it's safe to say that my internet connection is NOT the best.
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who made this fucking list, greenday, nirvana, blink-182, hey jerk off, the mentors, prima nina, the cramps, remeber what punk is, total anarchy for anything mainstream.
JOEY RAMONE, JOE STUTTER, SID VICIOUS ARE TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES.
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Television for classic NY Punk. X for clssic LA punk! Wire for the best British punk band EVER! Put Bad Brains at 2 and take Green Day off the list (not once but TWICE!) I think it isn't punk if it was played on mainstream radio (i.e. Blink 182, Rancid,etc.) Nirvana and Napalm Death are not punk. Pop and Metal. Gang of Four, Gang of Four, Gang of Four, Entertainment. Ministry was pretty crazy shit. And Sonic Youth rewrote music.......Hey, ya' know what, this was a great publicity stunt. I had never heard of Kerrang until a friend told me about the list. Fuck all you guys!
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Television for classic NY Punk. X for clssic LA punk! Wire for the best British punk band EVER! Put Bad Brains at 2 and take Green Day off the list (not once but TWICE!) I think it isn't punk if it was played on mainstream radio (i.e. Blink 182, Rancid,etc.) Nirvana and Napalm Death are not punk. Pop and Metal. Gang of Four, Gang of Four, Gang of Four, Entertainment. Ministry was pretty crazy shit. And Sonic Youth rewrote music.......Hey, ya' know what, this was a great publicity stunt. I had never heard of Kerrang until a friend told me about the list. Fuck all you guys!
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Television for classic NY Punk. X for clssic LA punk! Wire for the best British punk band EVER! Put Bad Brains at 2 and take Green Day off the list (not once but TWICE!) I think it isn't punk if it was played on mainstream radio (i.e. Blink 182, Rancid,etc.) Nirvana and Napalm Death are not punk. Pop and Metal. Gang of Four, Gang of Four, Gang of Four, Entertainment. Ministry was pretty crazy shit. And Sonic Youth rewrote music.......Hey, ya' know what, this was a great publicity stunt. I had never heard of Kerrang until a friend told me about the list. Fuck all you guys!
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NO:
GEN X
THE UNDEAD
BAUHAUS
VELVET UNDERGROUND
Green Day belongs on the list, but lower in the rankings thirties or forties.
The Offspring and Nirvana are GRUNGE take them off the list entirely. The Sex Pistols are Crap. They may have been the pioneers, but they were all attitude and no substance. Bottom line, Clash at #1 or the list is plain worthless.
The writer of the above list should be shot.
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What!!!!!!!! no Avril Lavigne?
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wow. a whole generation of music just got completely shat upon. someone who would compile such an innacurate list shouldnt be writing for a music blog or whatever this garbage waste of cyberspace is. you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Maybe Im Showing My Age with this but....
The Gay Bikers on Acid
Entombed
Prong
Flotsam & Jetsam
Voi Vod
Canibal Corpse
Galatic Coyboys
Helstar
1000 Mona Lisa's
Fates Warning
GWAR
King Diamond
Skrew
Crisis
Devine Regale
Omen
Armorded Saint
Black Flag
Lizzy Borden
Suicidal Tendencies
Rollins Band
Laz Rocket
Fuzzland Pilgrims
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Maybe Im Showing My Age with this but....
The Gay Bikers on Acid
Entombed
Prong
Flotsam & Jetsam
Voi Vod
Canibal Corpse
Galatic Coyboys
Helstar
1000 Mona Lisa's
Fates Warning
GWAR
King Diamond
Skrew
Crisis
Devine Regale
Omen
Armorded Saint
Black Flag
Lizzy Borden
Suicidal Tendencies
Rollins Band
Laz Rocket
Fuzzland Pilgrims
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Maybe Im Showing My Age with this but....
The Gay Bikers on Acid
Entombed
Prong
Flotsam & Jetsam
Voi Vod
Canibal Corpse
Galatic Coyboys
Helstar
1000 Mona Lisa's
Fates Warning
GWAR
King Diamond
Skrew
Crisis
Devine Regale
Omen
Armorded Saint
Black Flag
Lizzy Borden
Suicidal Tendencies
Rollins Band
Laz Rocket
Fuzzland Pilgrims
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Maybe Im Showing My Age with this but....
The Gay Bikers on Acid
Entombed
Prong
Flotsam & Jetsam
Voi Vod
Canibal Corpse
Galatic Coyboys
Helstar
1000 Mona Lisa's
Fates Warning
GWAR
King Diamond
Skrew
Crisis
Devine Regale
Omen
Armorded Saint
Black Flag
Lizzy Borden
Suicidal Tendencies
Rollins Band
Laz Rocket
Fuzzland Pilgrims
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Jesus Christ. Um, no MC5? No Talking Heads? You're going to tell me Dookie is better than London Calling and Ramones? Are you fucking serious? What about the Slits? If the Offspring are better than the Buzzcocks then Milli Vanilli is better than Bob Dylan and I'm a turkey with pink feathers. And the absence of The New York Dolls and The Pixies makes me want to stab myself in the vagina if only to distract myself from the pain. Oh, and I love Enema of the State, but in reality, CELEBRITY SKIN was a better record. And where are Bikini Kill and Television? This list is littered with british records, but very few New York records. And let's face it, Sheena was a punk rocker eons before Sid
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somewhere in this list should be Youth Brigade's "Sound & Fury"
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The people who made this list need to be lobotomized. It is the worst thing I have ever seen. It's worse than everything that comes out of Tom Cruise's mouth. It is a total piece of shit. What a mess.
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if any of you were REALLY punk, why do you have a computer?
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How about the Jam, XTC. If you're gonna put the Mighty Mighty Bosstones on this list, I can think of a Dozen SKA band albulms that blow them out of the water.
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what the fuck. huh? no suicidal tendencies no fukkin velvet underground? jesus but i just odnt know what to say to that. fuck that, fuck this.
punk is dead
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Hmmm... what about 24-7 Spyz, Germs, DRI, Generation X, and even Tony James' post Gen X cyberpunk band, Sigue Sigue Sputnik?
I saw 24-7 Spyz open for The Godfathers in 1989, and during their set, they blew out one of the stage monitor speakers. And when a band can do that, 1/2 way through a set, to me, that's a sign of a killer show!!
In 1990 or 1991, I saw DRI play a show on the Clemson University campus, at a club called Edgar's. And those guys were WAY MORE punk than Green Day are now.
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Stop with your 'omg punk iz ded' comments. Just because there are a few crappy albums on some list a guy wrote up on the INTERNET, doesn't mean punk is dead.
And I do not think The Sex Pistols should be number one. The Dead Kennedys should be, but that's all matter of opinion, I guess.
And why is Americana by Offspring on that list? It is an okay album, but it doesn't need to be there. And no, The Get-Up Kids shouldn't be on there either.
I'm glad Crass are on there though... They should be much higher on the list, seeing as I think 'Feeding of the 5000' was the BEST punk album of the 70s. :D
And The Descendents, NOFX and Rancid are on there too so it ain't a bad list. :/ It just happens to have a few albums on it that DEFINITELY should not be there, and is missing a few that DEFINITELY should, like 'Death Church' by Rudi Peni and 'The Anger And The Truth' by The Unseen, which is arguably one of the best punk albums of today. I know they get slagged off all the time, but I love 'em anyway. :P Oh, and some Lower Class Brats needs to be on there too...
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And A.F.I.'s old shit isn't actually that bad. They used to be a hardcore punk band, a really good one, too, so I'm glad they put one of their OLD records on there. If Decemberunderground had been put on there, I would have thrown a fit. :|
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W... T... F... First of all... Ramones #1, not just cuz its my fav band, they'r pioneers of punk, they should get that recognition... Now, puting Green Day, Nirvana, Blink 182, Sublime, less than jake, The get up kids, AFI, etc. should not be on the list or any other list that has "punk" in it...some on the bands belong there but are very screwed up in the order they ar in, i mean Minor Threat at 17... assholes!, and they missed real good hardcore kickass punk bands like Bad Brains, Circle Jerks, Exploited, Suicidal Tendencies, DOA, Black Flag, Dead Boys, TSOL!!!, Wasted Youth, The Addicts, The Virus, Cheap Sex, Pennywise, Generation X, Oxymoron, Operation Ivy, Escorbuto, La Polla Records, 2 Minutos, 7 Seconds, Adolescents, Anti-Heroes... damn i could go on for days at this... Who ever made the list was watching disney chanel and hearing the theme songs on the shows... My God... If you were gonna put The Offspring Put it on the bottom of the list withe their first album The Offspring, or not at all in the list... and like one of you said, after 1985... plz... not much punk to look at after that... punk has been dead for years... but some people still live by the true meaning of punk... Oh and the guy that said Green Day rulez should be tied to a chair and had his penis cut off... fucking poser... if u wanna real 50 album punk list go to california, get some punks from the streets and ask them, not some gay dude from England... imma go now, h8 forums but this was important... btw dont miss the upcoming Documentary "American Hardcore", thats for the real hcpunk era...
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The problem with this list is the term punk! Everybody's opinion of what it means to be punk is totally different. Also what you have to remember is that after the initial punk period of '76-'78 punk split into many different groups. In America where the movement didn't really hit the mainstream like it did in England it went underground in the 80's and morphed into hardcore punk which stuck a bit more rigidly to the original musical template. Where as in England it had always been primarily an art-school movement and the post-punk bands (not to be confused with new-wave) were inspired by the freedom that punk gave them and used punk as a spring–board. Unfortunately I think now for a lot of modern so called 'punk' bands and skater kids the term 'punk' just equals teenage angst and dumb aggression. Punk was a philosophical musical movement, it was supposed to open up doors and break down boundaries. A lot of the bands to be influenced by hardcore are to conservative to be punk. American Idiot is Green Day's most punk album because it challenged the norm! As for My Chemical Romance and the rest of these new up and coming bands being hailed as the "New Punk Explosion" by Kerrang! Well, I'm sorry but Lilly Allen is more punk not only musically but in her attitude as any of those bands!
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the fact that everybody above is dissin green day is very very sad to me. not only did they revive punk, but DOOKIE is probably one of THE best punk albums ever. so catchy, so raw, so emotional. its insane. u can't deny billie joes unbelievable front man skills...and even after amrican idiot they still are the most rockin band.. not to mention their look out stuff liek 39 smooth and kerplunk...unreal......
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the fact that everybody above is dissin green day is very very sad to me. not only did they revive punk, but DOOKIE is probably one of THE best punk albums ever. so catchy, so raw, so emotional. its insane. u can't deny billie joes unbelievable front man skills...and even after amrican idiot they still are the most rockin band.. not to mention their look out stuff liek 39 smooth and kerplunk...unreal......
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the fact that everybody above is dissin green day is very very sad to me. not only did they revive punk, but DOOKIE is probably one of THE best punk albums ever. so catchy, so raw, so emotional. its insane. u can't deny billie joes unbelievable front man skills...and even after amrican idiot they still are the most rockin band.. not to mention their look out stuff liek 39 smooth and kerplunk...unreal......
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OMG, this whole debate just makes me realise how differently the Americans and the British see "Punk". Ok so Kerrang is English, but Kerrang isn't really an english mag. It's dumb "rawk" etho's are just too american. NME has always been the most influential musical mag, it comes from an art-school background as do most of our bands and that includes punk bands. A lot of these American punk bands are too elitist and keep within strict generic formulas. You lot don't seem to understand the who philosophy of punk. Most Americans not only seem to be totally ignorant of the historical context of the genre, but also you don't seem to have any understanding of the social and cultural impact of punk on popular music as a whole.
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OMG, this whole debate just makes me realise how differently the Americans and the British see "Punk". Ok so Kerrang is English, but Kerrang isn't really an english mag. It's dumb "rawk" etho's are just too american. NME has always been the most influential musical mag, it comes from an art-school background as do most of our bands and that includes punk bands. A lot of these American punk bands are too elitist and keep within strict generic formulas. You lot don't seem to understand the who philosophy of punk. Most Americans not only seem to be totally ignorant of the historical context of the genre, but also you don't seem to have any understanding of the social and cultural impact of punk on popular music as a whole.
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huh...
this list was probably made by some corperate bastards thinking if they put greenday at the top of the list, itll make them look good, since greendays pretty popular.
and, no offence to nirvana, i love nirvana, but why is it even on this list? nirvana is grunge, not punk.
idiots............
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nirvana not punk!!!!! sex pistols at #1???? ramones are the #1!!!!!.....and the best bands ever: green day, ramones, the clash, descendents, NOFX, rancid, pennywise, dropkick murphys, the distillers, dead kennedys, the misfits, AFI, the vandals, screeching weasel, black flag, social distortion, bad religion, gorilla biscuits, the casualities, the offspring, the unseen, bouncing souls, blink-182, the damned, and the sex pistols ..... but ramones at #1 ... no sex pistols.......
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who ever thinks the clash r one of the best r fukin deaf they cant even sing and us r disin greenday who r one of the most talented bands on the list coz they can actualy play instruments not just thrash shit like the sex pistols who wernt really musicians they just did craxy shit and fuck nofx and all the bands that have made like one good song in thier career coz they dont deserve to be on the list .
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and just coz the punk of today doesnt sound like the punk of the 80s doesnt mean it aint punk coz punk would get borin if the sound didnt change and i think the punk bands of today could probli be even better than it was in the 80s but not that emo shit coz they sound like a bunch of girls singin in a faggy voice.
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Excuse me?
"Dookie" is nowhere NEAR being better than ANYTHING The Clash, The Damned, Nirvana, Dead Kennedys, or The Ramones have made.
IT's not even in the parking lot.
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There are people on this list up set about these bullshit rankings but then saying why wasn't Mighty Mighty Bosstones or The Jam on there. First of all The Jam is a Mod band and have no right on that list either. The Bosstones ARE NOT PUNK!!!
Fraser are you kidding? How old are you 16? Please Greenday is talented? You are obviously not a musican or a fan of decent music. Go ask someone who has a clue for some good bands for you to start listening to.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=153153728
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WHAT ABOUT THE DEAD BOYS, THE DICTATORS, NEW YORK DOLLS FUCK YOU AFI!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ok, this list is fucked up. no list with the word punk in it should have AFI, blink 182, or nirvana on it. i am a huge green day fan, and even i think they were placed too high up. no way they beat the dead kennedys or the ramones. however, they didn't kill punk, they brought it up from the fucking dead and gave it to a new generation. also, the guy who said that there are no good punk bands past 1985, i say this:
FUCK YOU!!!!!!
that WAS a "dumbshit comment" if i ever fuckin saw one.
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At least Sex Pistols get number one, but Greenday in number two? What the fuck? Where's The Wipers? Mission of Burma? Minutemen? Bikini Kill? Mudhoney? and a million other bands. How can you call Nevermind more punk than In Utero???? Raw Power at 18????????? Oh well...
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green day should be number fukin 1 bitch
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