TI, Jay-Z, Kanye West, 50 Cent & Diddy Make Madison Square Garden The Loudest Place On Earth
What does 20,000 people simultaneously losing their shit sound like? If you were at Madison Square Garden Wednesday night, you know -- and are probably still a little deaf from the fanfare. A cosmic cast of hip-hop titans surprised the MSG crowd at Wednesday night's Screamfest '07 stop in NYC, when TI brought out Mr. West, Jigga, Fifty, and Sean Combs for a little bit of Kanye's "Can't Tell Me Nothing." We've got a pic and some nosebleed-seats YouTube (which captures the pandemonium in shitty A/V format), but at least you can see Mr. Cent taking triumphant laps of the stage and bouncing to the Graduation jam that may just end his career. So much for the rivalry?
No Bonnie 'Prince' & Galifianakis, but at least there were a lot of gold chains...
[Pic by Walik Goshorn for MTV]
Head to MTV for the blow-by-blow.
Posted at 9:40 AM in Video
Tags: 50 Cent | Diddy | Jay-Z | Kanye West | TI
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It's nice when a plan comes together like that, wouldn't you say? Actually putting the feuds and rivalries aside and taking it for what it's worth - the music - it's nice to see this. Wait...I'm getting sensitive over hip-hop? I'll just go with it.
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There is SO MUCH MONEY on that stage right there.
I can't even imagine what their after-party was like. Not to mention the hotel lobby.
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its good to see its still all about the benjamins!
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Uh, I have to ask: WHO really cares what these guys do? Isn't hip hop just another word for "commercialized narcissism"?
It all sounds the same and they all just "sing" about themselves & their money. Not interesting. Ever.
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People still think like "The Dude" in 2007?
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Yeah, "The Dude", are you serious? Get educated, bra!
And clearly they don't '"sing"' with or without quotation marks.
I think "The Dude" is preceded by "Devin" and he is just fucking with us.
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The Dude couldn't be more right actually.
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You're completely allowed to not like self-absorbed rappers that talk about themselves, money, or women. But then also you're not allowed to like Zeppelin, Prince, the Stones or any other music that has a guy using words.
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Trust me, I'm not this "Devin" person... no, let's all just admit that these guys are narcissists and who practice the "mumble-core" genre of hip-hop and, while they might be talented producers, often ruin much better songs by their obligatory and non-sensical appearances.
Wait, let me write the next great hip hop tune right now! "mumble mumble, YEAH, bling bling, money money, mumble mumble, YEAH, cristal & back that ass up, mumble mumble, hummer and/or benz, mumble mumble, [inserted hated artist here] is my bitch, mumble mumble, pimpin' gangsta YO" GENIUS!
These guys are jerkoffs who traffic in some truly repulsive concepts. To steal from the late Frank Zappa "Hip hop isn't dead... it just smells funny."
Zeppelin sucks, Prince went nuts years ago and the Stones peaked around '76. Happy?
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thank you for your glorious indictment of the entire genre of hip-hop
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Shudder. So...narrow....minded..........
All you're talking about is a very specific kind of rap music that is primarily meant for hot beats; you're completely disregarding everything that hiphop has to offer. That leads me to believe you don't know nearly enough about it. You wanna borrow some cds?
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why am I narrow minded? I just call it like I see it. Trust me, I miss good rap/hip hop but Jay-Z, Puff Daddy & 50 cents are not it. Sorry, I just don't see it.
Why do I have to prove my music open-mindedness to you? Trust me, I'm open minded but this stuff... so bland, so pointless, so contrived, so ridiculous.
I take them as seriously as I take "High School Musical 2" or American Idol.
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See the problem with you, The Dude, is that because you don't like 50 Cent, you don't like hip hop or rap. You even sad that all hip hop/rap artists (black people) sound the same. Surprise! You're a racist. If you don't want to listen to Top 40 tracks and artists, that's fine, and even if you don't want to explore the genre further based on those artists who make top dollar, that's fine too, but if you're just going to take a huge dump over an entire genre and say you're not close minded, that's naive, stupid, and a couple of other adjectives, just use a thesaurus.
You don't have to prove your musical open-mindedness because no one really cares because this is the internet, but at the same time you demonstrate your musical close-mindedness by condemning an entire musical genre based on the collective works of approximately three artists.
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I have to totally agree with The Dude. Why is it that people can't take the perfectly justified criticisms of hip hop? People always say that the bling/bitches/guns type of hip hop is not "true" hip hop, yet it's exactly what is selling millions upon millions of records, what plays on BET and what you hear kids in the hood playing.
I always hear, about "conscious" or political hip hop, how that is what hip hop is "really about". Yet the audience for this kind of underground hip hop is made up mostly of white kids and college educated blacks. Hardly a "hood" audience. Before you start calling me a racist (I'm brown myself) or "close-minded, check out this article:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0526,kitwana,65332,22.html
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Wow. Who knew: I'm a racist.
Thank you so much for that insight... it had clearly escaped me all this time. I never knew that liking 50 Cent was what Martin Luther King was fighting for. I didn't know that Rosa Parks went to jail to make sure I thought Jay Z was a genius.
If I don't like Elton John or the Scissor Sisters, does that mean I'm a homophobe? I don't like Matisyahu either, so I guess I'm an anti-semite as well.
I criticize a few artists and suddenly I'm a racist? Sorry, no: your "argument" is exactly the reason no one should take you seriously: some one disagrees and you hit the alarm button.
There are plenty of real racists out there, but I am certainly not one of them.
You should re-read what I wrote: " Trust me, I miss good rap/hip hop but Jay-Z, Puff Daddy & 50 cents are not it." I certainly like rap & hip hop, just not these particular artists that I think are so boring and uninspired and for that I get called a racist... and that is about the worst thing you can call someone in a forum like this and you should really think about what motivates you to say such things.
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You know what tmcool, I thought better about and I have one last thing to say: F@#K YOU.
HOW DARE YOU F@#KING CALL ME A RACIST?? YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT ME. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM, WHAT I AM, WHERE I'VE BEEN, OR WHAT I'VE DONE. YOU KNOW NOTHING.
RACIST? HOW DARE YOU?? YOU TINY LITTLE MAN/WOMAN. HOW DARE YOU? I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU AND YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO MAKE UNIFORMED ACCUSATIONS LIKE THAT SO EASILY.
I'M A RACIST BECUASE I DON'T CARE FOR A FEW HIP HOP ACTS? WHAT THE F@#K IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU NEED TO LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF 'RACIST' AGAIN AND TAKE A GOOD LONG LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
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In defense of the Dude, it's not about race, it is about squandered potential. I'm very sure that someone on that stage grew up wondering what it would be like to have fame, sex and money. Now they've achieved that mark, and what do they rap about? Having fame, sex and money. Worse are those who have it and are still regressing into dreams about what it would be like.
If hip-hop is to become the art form it is purported to be, rappers have to stop writing about bank statements, little black books and the fact that you're not them. Rock music learned it the hard way, and for many artists it was too late to redeem themselves. They had awesome instrumentation and chops, but all the public remembers is the the songs were dumb as hell.
You would think the hip-hop artists could take that lesson, 'flip the script' and walk a different path. I suppose not. I suppose, to be as famous as M.C. Hammer, you have to be reckoned a one trick pony after the fall. Do you really believe 50 Cent would be a viable candidate for a hip-hop hall of fame, or just really, really lucky one more time?
DwD
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tmccool,
Let me just state that I am black person and I find nothing wrong with what the Dude said at all. People are entitled to their opinions and just because they criticize predominantly black (or other minority) institutions, doesn't necessarily mean that they're racist remarks.
Mind you that I believe that both sides of that argument are taking incredibly oversimplified positions on the subject. And to the point of ludicrousness, I might add.
But if you're looking for real (or at least implied) racism on these boards, here you go. In the last month or so, I've encountered:
In response to a Picture of Kyp Malone:
"oh! oh! a black sam beam!
YES MASSA!"
In response to a Bettye LaVette post:
"Enough with the black people! I though this was a music blog?"
In response to a Black Lips video called "Katrina":
"needs more black people drowning"
So yeah, point out and ridicule racism when you encounter it, but don't imply anything extra when there's already plenty enough to go around on these boards.
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Stupid feud aside - Dude's comments about hip-hop are valid for someone who isn't initiated to the genre.
It's like saying that all electronic music sounds the same and is just the same loop over and over again. (an ailment to which the only cure is being given a copy of Daft Punk's Discovery)
It's the age-old, your ears aren't used to that genre so all you hear sounds the same, argument.
Us whippersnappers could say the same about old-school blues and folk music, which may be nuanced to an extreme but sound boring and exactly the same to the attention-span limited generation.
Case it point, to appreciate the music of these fuckheads you need something to break it down and make it more digestible. Listen to Outkast's Aquemini and Kanye's Late Registration, if what you hear still sounds exactly the same, then congratulations on your AARP membership, I hope you enjoy the discounts.
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