War On Emo (Or The Only Difference Between Rites Of Spring and Fall Out Boy Is Everything)
NME gets political...
Bottled at Reading! Tabloid stories! Where do you stand? Plus, we hear from the guy who bottled Panic! At The Disco's Brendon Urie.
Where do we stand? We stand on the side that acknowledges these bands are not actually emo. How did MCR and P!ATD even get classified as emo? It's a terrible misnomer we've gone along with, but let's put a stop to that.
Not to get all Brandon Flowers, but it's time for a debate! Have these 21st century MTVu eyeliner rockers anything in common with the DC hardcore scene twenty years ago? What was the last great emo album? What's the greatest emo album of all time? Is America losing the war on the emo? Is there even a war on emo? Why is Gerard dressed for battle?
Posted at 12:24 PM
Tags: Fall Out Boy | My Chemical Romance | Panic! At The Disco
Can't we just take the second bus home?
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Can't we all just take the second bus home?
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Sorry, but these bands are emo-- in the sense that they are self-obsessed, over-dramatic, and completely boring.
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i know hte guy who bottled brendan urie at reading B-)
anything anyone wants me to pass on?
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The two greatest emo records were recorded before it was called "emo." "End on End"-Rites of Spring and "Hello Bastards" - Lifetime. Easy
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Sorry, but these bands are emo-- in the sense that they are self-obsessed, over-dramatic, and completely boring.
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The two greatest emo records were recorded before it was called "emo." "End on End"-Rites of Spring and "Hello Bastards" - Lifetime. Easy
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So is emo:
A) that which sprung from DC hardcore
B) angsty post-Pinkerton rock
C) overexposed pop-punkers who shop at The Limited Too
I don't know!
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If we retreat from the war on emo, the terrorists win
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Stop, they're both shite...
I know I'll take hell for this but, to fans who don't like them, any post-Blink 182 isn't Emo - they're mall punks (My Chemical Romance, Panic!, Fall Out Boy, etc.)
Shouldn't NME be reporting on the hard news like Pete Doherty vomits, how the Arctic Monkeys changed music forever and Oasis' best-of collection is better than the Beatles 1's?
Aren't those the feckless, hyperbolic news items we expect (ane need) from the NME??
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Sorry, but these bands are emo-- in the sense that they are self-obsessed, over-dramatic, and completely boring.
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the same "is it emo" question would always come up on message boards a few years ago when new found glory/saves the day/etc blew up. same with "screamo" some people will always say that stuff like saetia and forstella ford is what "screamo" really is, but most of the time people think of hawthorne heights, et al.
it all really boils down to this: who really gives a fuck? seriously.
i called panic and mcr "pop punk" and hawthorne heights "screamy pop punk"..those terms serve me well.
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Sunny Day "Diary"
CaP'n Jazz anthology
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i know hte guy who bottled brendan urie at reading B-)
anything anyone wants me to pass on?
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Stop, they're both shite...
I know I'll take hell for this but, to fans who don't like them, any post-Blink 182 isn't Emo - they're mall punks (My Chemical Romance, Panic!, Fall Out Boy, etc.)
Shouldn't NME be reporting on the hard news like Pete Doherty vomits, how the Arctic Monkeys changed music forever and Oasis' best-of collection is better than the Beatles 1's?
Aren't those the feckless, hyperbolic news items we expect (ane need) from the NME??
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i know hte guy who bottled brendan urie at reading B-)
anything anyone wants me to pass on?
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Mark, you have absolutely no idea what emo is, do you?
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Stop, they're both shite...
I know I'll take hell for this but, to fans who don't like them, any post-Blink 182 isn't Emo - they're mall punks (My Chemical Romance, Panic!, Fall Out Boy, etc.)
Shouldn't NME be reporting on the hard news like Pete Doherty vomits, how the Arctic Monkeys changed music forever and Oasis' best-of collection is better than the Beatles 1's?
Aren't those the feckless, hyperbolic news items we expect (ane need) from the NME??
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Hoover - "The Lurid Traversal of Route 7"
Mohinder - "Anthology"
Cars Get Crushed - "Drag Explosive"
Or am I getting my post-hardcore mixed up with my emo?
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Pop-Punk beget Pop-emo. That's where we're at right now. The fact that they're calling it emo neat is no different than when Green Day was getting called punk back when Dookie came out.
Regardless, the term emo seems to have always been extremely broad...from straight hardcore to acoustic whispers. I don't think these bands fall outside the lines drawn by Fugazi and Dashboard, do they?
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nme's band of the year artic monkeys just won the mercury and they chose this as a cover? where are their priorities?
gerard's actually dressed in that standard marching band costume, only it's in black (of course). he's not geared up for any battle, he's geared up for the black parade. ;-)
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Honestly, "emo" was bad when it was early Jimmy Eat World and Braid, too. And NO ONE ever heard of Rites of Spring until, like, 98 or something. "Emo" may have always sucked. I liked a Promise Ring album here and there and the first three Sunny Day records, but that was about it. Even the old "emo" labels like Jade Tree and Polyvinyl don't peddle those kind of wares anymore.
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Dag Nasty always seemed, in retrospect, like they could be called Emo.
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Emo of the 80's became emo-core when the 90's emo scene hit. Bands like Cap'n Jazz, Texas is the Reason, Sunny Day Real Estate and all those other bands made the original emo sound a sub-genre of hardcore punk and took emo into a more indie/emo sound.
These bands are not emo bands, they're pop rock bands, but calling them 'emo' just gives people something to moan about, and we all know everyone likes a good ol' moan.
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the greatest emo album of all time:
the smiths - the queen is dead
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Um... "No one ever heard of Rites Of Spring until like, 98 or something" ... What? I suppose that may be true if you are under the age of 20. I didn't see anybody throw in Embrace and Faith up there, so I'll throw them in.
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Two best Emo Records
Knapsack 'This Conversation Is Ending Starting Right Now'
Far 'Water & Solutions'
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Emo of the 80's became emo-core when the 90's emo scene hit. Bands like Cap'n Jazz, Texas is the Reason, Sunny Day Real Estate and all those other bands made the original emo sound a sub-genre of hardcore punk and took emo into a more indie/emo sound.
These bands are not emo bands, they're pop rock bands, but calling them 'emo' just gives people something to moan about, and we all know everyone likes a good ol' moan.
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Emo of the 80's became emo-core when the 90's emo scene hit. Bands like Cap'n Jazz, Texas is the Reason, Sunny Day Real Estate and all those other bands made the original emo sound a sub-genre of hardcore punk and took emo into a more indie/emo sound.
These bands are not emo bands, they're pop rock bands, but calling them 'emo' just gives people something to moan about, and we all know everyone likes a good ol' moan.
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Can i coin the phrase "Mall Punk"?
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emo = emotional punk rock
Fugazi = emo
Minor Threat = emo
MCR = modern day hair band
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emo = emotional punk rock
Fugazi = emo
Minor Threat = emo
MCR = hair band's of the 80's
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The only "emo" albums I can still listen to are the Rites Of Spring and Embrace (Ian Mackaye's post-Minor Threat band, not the UK one) records. Stuff by Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, Texas Is The Reason, and The Promise Ring didn't age particularly well. Even the so-called "respectable emo" (e.g. Rainer Maria, Cursive, etc.) is more or less enjoyable your freshmen/sophomore year of college, but then you grow up and realize that it all sounds like a bunch of self-obsessed English majors trying to be "arty." In other words, who would want to listen to music that recalls those pretentious fuckwits in your Creative Writing class? Not me.
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Emo is about lyrical content that tends toward the personal. And that's really it.
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This is like trying to classify different varieties of shit.
'Oh look, it's the kind with corn in it! Oooh, here we have the pudding variety!'
It's all terrible. Emo is terrible, hardcore is terrible, whatever the hell MCR & P!ATD are, that's terrible.
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So is emo:
A) that which sprung from DC hardcore
B) angsty post-Pinkerton rock
C) overexposed pop-punkers who shop at The Limited Too
I don't know!
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sorry
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Zen Arcade was the first (and maybe last) great emo album.
None of these bands have anything in common with Husker Du.
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i second the notion for "mall punk"
those all in favor say "I"
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Hate to say it, but the label actually makes more sense applied to this new wave of overwrought, whiny pop guys than it ever did applied to the first generation guys like Rites of Spring or the more experimental second generation guys like SDRE, Braid, Promise Ring, etc.
What's curious is that, in most cases when a genre goes in a new direction (when "punk" began to be applied to Green Day, for instance), there's some relation, some noticeable line to the old guard.
The best I can do with Fall Out Boy or My Chemical Romance is trace them back through Jimmy Eat World's latter-day sound to their earlier sound, which might have some superficial resemblance to SDRE, which had some barely noticeable resemblances to Fugazi (that's a stretch, I realize), thus Rites of Spring.
It's not exactly as clear as the line from the Clash or the Ramones to Green Day (even if you deny Green Day's punkiness on the basis of some intangible, like principle or spirit). In fact, the line from Green Day to My Chemical Romance or Fall Out Boy is clearer than the line from any first or second gen emo band to MCR or FOB. Curious, eh?
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As always, AMG has the answer:
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:4525
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hot water music's the only one i still listen to, so they win.
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Braid - Frame and Canvas
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I always thought of Minor Threat and Fugazi as "post-punk."
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How about "Hot Topic Rock"
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I think it might be wise to just ackowledge that "emo" means something different to the kids then it does to us crusty old Rites of Spring fans. Kind of silly, but what can you do eh?
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I always thought of Hot Topic as "a clothing store."
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The only "emo" albums I can still listen to are the Rites Of Spring and Embrace (Ian Mackaye's post-Minor Threat band, not the UK one) records. Stuff by Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, Texas Is The Reason, and The Promise Ring didn't age particularly well. Even the so-called "respectable emo" (e.g. Rainer Maria, Cursive, etc.) is more or less enjoyable your freshmen/sophomore year of college, but then you grow up and realize that it all sounds like a bunch of self-obsessed English majors trying to be "arty." In other words, who would want to listen to music that recalls those pretentious fuckwits in your Creative Writing class? Not me.
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"In other words, who would want to listen to music that recalls those pretentious fuckwits in your Creative Writing class? Not me."
i think that referencing your creative writing class in college makes you about as pretentious as them.
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portraits of past lp
best emo or screamo or whatever album ever.
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this looks like a magazine to avoid at all costs. oh, and if you ever use the word 'emo' in any conversation, you're a tool.
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last great emo album= american football.
man, that shit still rules.
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It is a clothing store... a clothing store that sells clothes to and CD's by those bands
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I would say 90% of these commenters are tools. You're only coining "mall-punk" to distance yourself from your teenage job at the mall. Green Day was the OG mall-punk, and calling the current MCR, etc. "pop-punk" shits squarely on the face of alright bands like the Mr. T Experience.
Those Embrace, etc. records may be the originals, but they're not more listenable than the 90s stuff (The Promise Ring's "Nothing Feels Good" is probably the best overall); you're lying to yourself.
Also, hit the "Post" button one time only.
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last great emo album= american football.
man, that shit still rules.
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MINERAL.
Also, modern day rockers The Diggs remind me so very much of the stuff I listene dto when I was 16. Sounds like early Get Up Kids and Promise Ring.
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Love that American Football album.
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i think, for me, the last album that came out that was anywhere near emo was the Kid Kilowatt cd. and that was just a collection.
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for me, the last really good album that was anywhere near emo was that Kid Kilowatt cd.
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this looks like a magazine to avoid at all costs. oh, and if you ever use the word 'emo' in any conversation, you're a tool.
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julia
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Emo has lost it's punk roots.
Are these guy's emo? of course not...but let it be. ignorance is bliss sometimes. they don't know any better and shouldn't be looked down upon because they don't.
give them the lone wolf sign and then go listen to what you want.
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Emo has lost it's punk roots.
Are these guy's emo? of course not...but let it be. ignorance is bliss sometimes. they don't know any better and shouldn't be looked down upon because they don't.
give them the lone wolf sign and then go listen to what you want.
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Emo has lost it's punk roots.
Are these guy's emo? of course not...but let it be. ignorance is bliss sometimes. they don't know any better and shouldn't be looked down upon because they don't.
give them the lone wolf sign and then go listen to what you want.
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i don't listen to these bands and i could care less about the tabloid coverage some members of this community receive because they're boinking some soon to be hasbeen hollywood celebutante...but since i'm over fourty, doesn't seem a little like the hair metal band wars during the late 80's early 90's...
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minor threat emo??? you have no clue. sunny day RE and texas is the reason. more like it.
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minor threat emo??? you have no clue. sunny day RE and texas is the reason. more like it.
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minor threat emo??? you have no clue. sunny day RE and texas is the reason. more like it.
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Lace your Air Ones up and jump in the Delorean if you want to "coin the term 'mall punk.'" The term itself, while apt for describing any and all contemporary waves of demographic-friendly unit-shifting pop rock, is old news. Much like the definition of many genres of music, the definiton of mall punk is dynamic, shifting with the in-store trends. Much like the word "bad" came to mean "good," the word "emo" is synonymous with "mall punk," which itself is typically not punk at all. Punk is not conformity, mall punk is.
Rather than say "that's so gay," when speaking derisively of something, it has become commonplace amongst students at the University of Washington to refer to something as being "emo." For instance, the worker at the Pita Pit skimps on cheese and jalepenos; appropriate response would be, "that's so emo." Your fantasy football team's quarterback throws an INT? That's emo.
Unlike race, sexual orientation or (just roll with me) religion, using "emo" in a negative context should offend nobody. Emo, unlike race and sexual orientation, is a choice, not something inborn.
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Emotions are gay someone sing me a song about Whiskey and fucking sluts in the bathroom. That being said the two greatest emo albums
Jawbreaker - Bivouac
Jawbreaker - 24 hour revenge therapy
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Emotions are gay. Someone sing me a song about Whiskey and fucking sluts in the bathroom. That being said the two greatest emo albums
Jawbreaker - Bivouac
Jawbreaker - 24 hour revenge therapy
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Excerpt from the allmusic history of "emo" given above:
"Aside from the Dischord stable, most early emo was deeply underground, recorded by extremely short-lived bands and released on vinyl in small quantities by small labels; some vocalists literally wept onstage during song climaxes, earning derision from hardcore purists."
In twelve years, when Chris Carrabba, Panic!, a reformed My Chemical Romance and a shitty emo revival band go on the tongue-in-cheek "Emo is Dead" tour, can't you picture a 28-year-old dude in eyeliner bragging, "Yeah man, back when I listened to this shit, it was all way underground...the REAL emo singers would break down into tears after each song. You don't even know, man."
That's how I envision whoever wrote that article.
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Of anything that is remotely related to emo in any way, the only thing actually good is Pinkerton.
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dude, does this ring of hair make me look emo?
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Portraits of Past LP. Agreed.
I always remembered people saying your band was "emo" was a bad thing. The hardcore version of being in a boy band.
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Emotions are gay. Someone sing me a song about Whiskey and fucking sluts in the bathroom. That being said the two greatest emo albums
Jawbreaker - Bivouac
Jawbreaker - 24 hour revenge therapy
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Emotions are gay someone sing me a song about Whiskey and fucking sluts in the bathroom. That being said the two greatest emo albums
Jawbreaker - Bivouac
Jawbreaker - 24 hour revenge therapy
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I miss sunny day...
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"I’ve met quite a few who never actually admit that they listen to emo: “oh, they sort of used to be emo, but they’re basically just indie pop now; oh, that’s not emo, it’s just sort of slightly emo-ish hardcore.” Jesus, you idiot, if you listen to six hundred bands that skirt the borders of emo, you basically just listen to emo. Fuck." -Dr. David Thorpe
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I'd say they are emo. Music styles evolve and change over time and that's what emo has done it might not be exactly like the older stuff (Rites of Spring, Fugazi), but that's what it is now. For instance look at rap would anyone had seen rap's evolutionary chart way back when. It's extremely different from what it used to be, but it's still rap. I do get pissed when people try to expand the title of emo onto something it's not. Someonce refered to Beck's "Sea Change" as emo and I was not happy. I do hate emo by the way.
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I'd say they are emo. Music styles evolve and change over time and that's what emo has done it might not be exactly like the older stuff (Rites of Spring, Fugazi), but that's what it is now. For instance look at rap would anyone had seen rap's evolutionary chart way back when. It's extremely different from what it used to be, but it's still rap. I do get pissed when people try to expand the title of emo onto something it's not. Someonce refered to Beck's "Sea Change" as emo and I was not happy. I do hate emo by the way.
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I'd say they are emo. Music styles evolve and change over time and that's what emo has done it might not be exactly like the older stuff (Rites of Spring, Fugazi), but that's what it is now. For instance look at rap would anyone had seen rap's evolutionary chart way back when. It's extremely different from what it used to be, but it's still rap. I do get pissed when people try to expand the title of emo onto something it's not. Someonce refered to Beck's "Sea Change" as emo and I was not happy. I do hate emo by the way.
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"I’ve met quite a few who never actually admit that they listen to emo: “oh, they sort of used to be emo, but they’re basically just indie pop now; oh, that’s not emo, it’s just sort of slightly emo-ish hardcore.” Jesus, you idiot, if you listen to six hundred bands that skirt the borders of emo, you basically just listen to emo. Fuck." -Dr. David Thorpe
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Dang, the thread of comments could have been cut in half if people could be patient enough to wait for their indie cred to post.
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I'll never forget the day my niece told me she listened to emo like me because she listened to Fall Out Boy. I felt like I had let my whole family down.
Btw, I agree with the American Football, Mineral and SDRE picks. Those records are fantastic.
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Weezer is powerpop. Always have been. They were never associated with the mid 90's emo scene so there's no reason to try to associate them retrospectively.
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Well, there's emo back then and then emo now. These guys are the embodiment of emo now.
Emo bands now are the bastard love children 12 times removed, watered down, and beaten with a stick.