Kim Deal: "You Know, Malkmus Is Being A Bit Of A Bitch..."
'90s alt-rock fight! As prematurely mentioned, we dig the new Breeders album, Mountain Battles. We also like aspects of Real Emotional Trash, though we still say it runs on (and on). Which is sorta what Kim Deal's saying about the mouth of our favorite late-night Fox News Channel guest in the new issue of Time Out. It starts with this question from the interviewer:
TONY: Did the success of that song ["Cannonball'] cause any jealousy among your indie-rock peers?
Via TONY:
KIM DEAL: You know, [Pavement's Stephen] Malkmus is being a bit of a bitch in interviews recently. One thing he said last summer referred to me as "trashy mouth." And he just did this article in Spin where he alluded to me unpleasantly, saying [something like], "You know, I always thought that Pavement could have had one of those big hits in the early '90s with 'Cut Your Hair,' but I guess people preferred 'Cannonball.' "
TONY: Are you a fan of his music?
KIM DEAL: Yeah, I liked Pavement. But if he keeps fucking smacking his mouth off about me, I'm going to end up not being able to listen to any of their fucking records again. Anyway, I thought, God, man, "Cut Your Hair" isn't as good of a song as "Cannonball," so fuck you. How's that? Your song was just a'ight, dawg.
She's right, "Cannonball"'s better than "Cut Your Hair." But "Cannonball"'s not better than "Summer Babe" or half a dozen prime Pavement tracks. Still, good to know Kim has her slang down. The SPIN article she's talking about can be read here. This is the quote that bugged her:
SPIN: Back in 1994, you had a brush with fame with "Cut Your Hair," a song that seemed to be about careerism.
Stephen Malkmus: Yeah, and it's too bad it wasn't quite the song that could've really pushed the band. For all the mistakes that were made marketing Pavement, it comes down to the song; and the song was pretty good, but it just wasn't the song of the time. The Offspring song ["Come Out and Play"], "Cannonball" by the Breeders -- those were bigger songs people could get behind.
Wonder where he called her "trashy mouth"? Sounds like something a grandma would say. The Time Out interview has plenty of other fun stuff including this quip: "At the Buffalo show recently, after we sang 'Bang On,' one guy yelled out, 'I'd do you, Kim!' That was cute. I'd do you...." Dude, to complete the pun, you should have yelled, "I'd bang you, Kim!" See?
Posted at 1:01 PM in Where's The Beef?
Tags: Kim Deal | Pavement | Stephen Malkmus | The Breeders
fuck kim deal.
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'I would', dude
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Jesus Christ, does Malk's sarcasm go over every head? His "rockstar' mode has always been tongue-in-cheek. For the record, Kim and Kelly are both completely mental.
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You're a retard.
No, it's okay. I'm just being tongue-in-cheek with the whole blogger commenter facade.
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Pavement was a great band and the Breeders are still a great band. To compare both of these bands as the same isn't really fair. They both have there own sound and style. I alway preferred the Breeders over Pavement. The Breeders to me, had an alternative/pop sound. Where Pavement was more experimental and uneven. Which isn't bad, but that doesn't get you too many hits. An example would be Sonic Youth, one of the greatest alternative/indie band ever, not too many hits. Not to say the Breeders had too many hits, their problem is that they don't record albums that often.
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Malkmus' last 10 years > Kim Deal's last 10 years.
Not even a question.
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I think in general Malkmus is a better songwriter. Cannonball is better than cut your hair, but i think that comment in spin that malk made was pretty benign. I have seen SM call KD "trashy mouth"ed and tough. in that interview the guy from deerhunter did with SM last year at the pitchfork fest he said something similar -- i just always assumed it was in good humor?
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My balls just drew up for Kim Deal.. . NEVER thought that would happen. Fucking *EVER*.
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i reckon kim's got a massive crush on sm and a little sexual tension never hurt.
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big DEAL
LOLZ get it? I rule.
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Not sure what Kimmie is blathering on about here.
However, speaking candidly and frankly as a Gentleman, please be reminded that Pavement had some decent songs, but as a whole were/are a severely overrated rock band.
Moreso, Mr. Malkmus has always come off as a smug bastard. This same person who attended an elite prep school in Carpenteria, CA (a tranquil, beach/country town located just outside of Santa Barbara). With that in mind, it's no shock that's he's invested his music royalties in such bourgeois follies as owning & breeding race horses. It is, however, baffling that his music is championed by the brooding, underdog-championing, elite indie music "underground". In this regard, there is little difference between him and Jack Johnson.
How much longer will it be before Malkmus and Vampire Weekend form their elite polo & yachting club?
The revolution will be televised when PETA members storm the upcoming Pavement reunion shows, dressed as blackfaced lawn jockeys. Sprial Stairs & Speedy Service & Shoe Polish...oh my!
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i was under the impression that high school had nothing to do with a music genres.
doesn't matter... wikipedia says he was abducted by greys last night and found dead in a cow pasture this morning
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Class war!!!! WOOOOOOOO!
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Whenever I read about two minor celebrities fighting, I immediately pick a side and denounce the opposition for life.
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Couple observations:
While Cannonball may be a better song than Cut Your Hair, the video for the latter is among my favorite videos of all time; the scene with the tear cracks me up to this day. And, if by "trashy mouth" SM means KD cusses a bit, well, her responses to the charge kinda support his alleged point.
Still like the Breeders muuuuuch more than Pavement, tho.
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give me a break, cannonball isn't half the song that cut your hair is. just casue it was popular doesn't mean it isn't still one of their best songs.
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Malkmus is just jealous cuz he wasn't at ground zero for one of the biggest eruptions in music in the past 20 years. 4AD/Pixies/Breeders/Throwing Muses/Nirvana/Veruca Salt, etc-- it's all part of the same continuum that came out of the supernova called 'The Pixies'.
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join the veruca salt eruption
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Someone posted this on Wiki:
Stephen Malkmus (born May 30, 1966 , Santa Monica, California[1]) is an indie rock musician and a former member of the band Pavement. On March 31st, 2008, he was abducted by the greys. He was found dead in a cow pasture on the morning of April 1st.
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Why is Malkmus being compared to Breeders? Totally different stuff. Malkmus sounds fine, but there's no edge, certainly not in the voice. Kim Deal is the real thing. Too real, perhaps, went to prison. But get off Cannonball, talk about Saints, Do You Love Me Know, Safari, I Just Want to get Along.
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Kelley Deal went to prison. And she didn't even go to prison, she went to court ordered rehab.
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She didn't go to prison, nor did she attend court ordered rehab...kelley did...but not kim.
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malk called her trashy mouth in that pitchfork bradford cox interview
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better? worse? better? worse? better? worse?better?worse?borse?wetter?borse?worse?sweater?purse?
dude, streets are way better than sidewalks! cows are way better than horses! pigs are way better than squirrels! television is way better than antelope!
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how on earth is he even remotely insulting her in the clip from spin? she's the bitch.
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Cannonball may be better than Cut Your Hair but it's nowhere near as good as Grounded or Here or Rattled by the Rush or etc. etc. etc.
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Here is the excerpt from the Pitchfork interview. I don't know what's so insulting about this. She obviously took this way too seriously and way out of context...
BC: But it's the same way that Kim Deal is like the alpha female! Did you ever think of marrying Kim Deal?
SM: No, but I met her. She's my same astrological sign.
BC: What is that sign?
SM: Gemini.
BC: I'm Taurus.
SM: I wouldn't have married her. She's a trashy, tough-talkin' kind of gal.
BC: I love that!
SM: Me too! It's tough, though. You're from Atlanta, right?
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I love how any time there's any mention of Malk or Pavement in an article, everyone who either hates Pavement/SM&J or thinks they're overrated has to come out and make it known that they hate them.
Malk is a smug, smooth bastard. Everyone knows this. He's the kind of guy who can woo you and insult you at the same time. And I like it.
Anyway, I didn't want to make a serious comment on this originally, but somewhere along the line it became srs. Kim Deal is making a big...word that isn't deal over nothing. Blah blah blah.
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fuck that fat bitch.
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both of them are bitches.
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How is he even insulting her????? Really, dont breed? He made a direct comparison with a classic song of hers to the fucking offspring. He knew damn well that dismissing cannonball as a generic 90's "buzz-bin" track would incite a reaction, and deservedly so. That song has maintained its originality and sonic punch well better than the overrated, lo-fi slacker crap pavement queefed out.
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Sure, sure, and the relationship of this "direct comparison" is that they were both hit songs. Oh my!
I think people are making a mountain out of the fact that once in a while people will use random specific examples to make their point, because it adds a more interesting context to the story than just saying, "Yeah, our song was okay, but it wasn't a hit, the end."
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But Cannonball, specifically, *was* one of those generic 90's buzz-bin tracks. I don't know how old you people were at the time, but Cannonball was *annoying* when it came out. It was a safe watered down version of the more challenging alt-rock at the time. It was novelty, gimmicky, and complete with pointless, stupid lyrics ("The bong in this reggae song"?! Sounds like something a frat boy would write).
I don't like "Cut Your Hair" much, either. This seems like jealousy over who wrote a better pointless song with simplified music and dumb lyrics. Both bands have way better songs in their catalogs.
And Tanya Donnely was the best member of the Breeders. Pod is absolutely stellar, I only dig a few songs on Last Splash, and I don't really like any of the rest of Deal's output. I have pretty similar feelings toward Pavement and Stephen Malkmus, although I think it should be obvious that Pavement was the better, more original band. But that's me.
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Is it just me, or do the two kind of look alike?
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ID BANG YOU KIM!!!
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Hot 'n' Sassy Kim, Soccer Mom Kim... It doesn't matter. I would like to have relations with her. A lot.
I liked "Cut Your Hair" better, though. Sorry.
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I don't really the problem with Malkmus' comment. He was just talking about the era when those songs were released and how those were songs that were perhaps more straightforward than Pavement and how they were an easier sell to people back then.
If anything he was giving her a compliment.
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What about "Self Esteem"? Man, that was a good song.
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Kim Deal has talent, no question but better than Pavement? Art is subjective but its only subjective how much better Malkmus is then Deal. Better than Pavement? Gimme a break!
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Since when is having "a bigger song people could get behind" a slam? I don't see how Kim could've been offended, other than being mentioned in the same breath as the Offspring.
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I don't know, its a little sad to hear Malkmus talking of Pavement that way... and the way it was "marketed". Of course, I guess everyone wants success. Its just a misperception that Pavement didn't want it, I suppose.
And Pavement is untouchable.
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This is hilarious! I love them both, and I find it all really amusing.
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this post would be better if either one of them was still relevant...
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relevant to what?
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Cannoball is the only half decent song the Breeders produced, they are no Pixies - and Pavement is infinitely better. Go cut your hair Kim and get a real job.
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Malkmus needs to get over himself.. Bands like Pavement are what led to all that emo garbage that's supposed to pass for music anymore. Kim's right, he's whining like a little bitch. And, not to mention, he seems so upset that his "indie" band wasn't more widely accepted!! Yeah, keep it real, SM--back to your roots.
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