Wavves, Black Lips In Brooklyn Bar Fight • There were no survivors. Probably. The Daily Swarm reports on the aftermath.
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September 27, 2009
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somehow throwing around "faggot" doesn't seem to suffice in this situation. crazy situation though.
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So, what we've learned is that Jared from Black Lips is a homophobic asshole with no health insurance. There's your new Republican argument against...
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Guy from Black Lips sounds like an shithead, sure it won't be the last time he gets his ass kicked. Go Wavves.
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So, I guess Wavves rolls around with Death Row Records people now? Sounds blown out of proportion to me. And no one ever says they got kinda cut up in fight, it's always "dude, there was blood everywhere! But I was all badass and stuff and went to the airport anyway." Give me a break.
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if jared actually wanted people to believe his side of things he probably should have went with a less elaborate, obviously fake story.
"They started getting all chuckles with me and so I told them I wasn't gonna have it. After that, Wavves tour manager hit me square in the face with a bottle."
really? REALLY?
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If you want people to sympathize with you about (kinda? sorta? but you're tough about it?) getting your ass kicked, it's probably best not to go the "casual redneck homophobia" route when recounting your version of the events. Wavves guy could have charged at him with a fucking tommy gun, but by the 3rd or 4th time he dropped the "f-bomb" in that statement, i just thought, good, this homophobic prick got what he had coming to him.
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Black Lips dude sounds like a dude bro who was/still is in need of a thorough beating.
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Indie rock, you're killin' me.
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"Lo-Fi, I love you but you're bringing me down."
I enjoy both bands and could care less about their little hissy-fits, but one thing I can't stand is the casual homophobia that seems to flow from Jared's mouth. I know his band is stuck in the sixties, but it's actually 2009 now and that shit doesn't fly anymore.
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Exactly. I really hate the idea that this kind of gross hypermasculine dick-measuring exists in the indie/lo-fi world, but I guess nothing is impervious to douchebaggery.
It's not "rock-n-roll", it's not "punk", it's not the right kind of "danger" that I truly do think our neutered subculture dreadfully needs right now. It just fucking sucks.
So let's not fight, okay guys? It's unbecoming of you.
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That's not indie rock. Both of these guys are only clowns.
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bad kids
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How come the regulars aren't rating Voyno to the sky for easy but elegant put back? I salute.
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At this point Wavves is the indie Britney Spears.
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jared swilley: biggest asshole in atlanta
thing is, no one would HERE would ever whoop his ass because then it would be hard to get into anywhere
COOL or HIP
cause you'd run the risk of the black lips mafia destroying your 'van, face, et al.'
" we're gonna get crazy on em' " ??? fuck you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5PKULglde8
this is good news, music world.
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That dude from the black lips sounds like a real winner. The only better resolution to this conflict would have been if both of them shot each other in the face. That way none of us would have to skim over the headlines about their shitty bands ever again. Take a mulligan, 'dogs'.
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Dude from Black Lips sounds like a frat boy. What's up with the homophobic slurs? (and don't tell me he's on some Eminem shit where "faggot" means "a man without manhood" in 8milespeak - that don't jive)
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What a bunch of faggots.
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Ohhh the humanity. Black Lips guy is from the south, you can't expect him to be using politically correct language (look no further than the name of his band). Black Lips and Wavves are just a couple of moderately alright bands with a couple good songs each, clearly taking each other way too seriously.
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Dude, have you ever been to the South? Obviously not. Calling southerners ignorant is an ignorant statement in itself. And no, I'm not from the South, I was born and raised in San Diego.
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Don't sell yourself short. San Diego is in Southern California, which is more south than most of the South.
Stay classy.
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Your comment makes me want to put on shoes for the first time and kick your ass.
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Kanye West just stepped in to say, "Black Lips and Wavves, I'mma let you finish, but Chris Brown and Rihanna's fight was the best fight of all time."
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Come on john, you're better than that.
I was going to be lazy and not sign in to vote people up or down, but your comment pushed me over the edge. So you have the going for you.
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I don't care how much credibility Kanye has with the indie set, let us never forget the ignorant babyish bullshit he pulls on a semi-regular basis. Kanye deserves all the backlash he gets, even now.
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I think it's more, don't compare this stupid hissyfit between two douchebags to Chris Brown beating Rihanna.
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Yeah, you're right. I am just so tired of other people defending Kanye for his immature antics that I jumped to that conclusion quickly on this one.
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Jared is hardly homophobic. If you've been to any Black Lips performances you've probably seen a few of the members make out on stage.
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That's such a cop-out. The band's drunken stage antics hardly excuses Jared's choice of words, or his asshole actions. He walked up to a stranger and basically said, "You're a faggot and I don't like you..." then recounted the event as if he were proud of it. Yup, sounds like every homophobic asshole I went to high school with.
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Jesus I hope Hiro is being sarcastic
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stereogum readers, you're letting me down. which of these bands is fucking fantastic live & which one has the voice of a cow? what's wrong with you people? shame on you for not wanting black lips to beat the fuck out of wavves, and shame on you for voting john down. that was the best "imma let you finish" mimic i've seen yet. love it. and guess what, faggot hardly means homosexual anymore so get over that shit, fucking liberals who can't think outside the box.
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Walk up to a bunch of guys and call them faggots. Watch the reaction it elicits. Just because you're casual in your use of the word doesn't change the fact that it's still a slur based on sexual orientation. The point of calling someone a faggot is to demean their masculinity by questioning their sexual orientation. You're not exactly calling them a bundle of sticks, are you?
Seriously, if it's not a disparaging term for gay anymore, what does it mean?
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It doesn't MEAN anything really... Since when does the meaning of an insult matter? If I'm going to insult you, I can call you "shithead" and "douchebag" and "fucktard" and whatever else I can think of, but what am I really saying? I'm saying, "I hate you and here are some angry sounding words to prove it." Faggot falls into this category. I'm not calling you gay any more than I am calling you a literal bag of douche (is douchebag a disparaging term for heterosexuals? I mean douchebags get all up inside a woman and blast their vags and shit, you know?)... what was I saying? Oh right, "faggot" is just another angry sounding word people like to use in an argument, literal meaning has little to do with it.
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Straight people love to tell themselves that that word doesn't REALLY mean anything. It's a nice, clean way to wash away the guilt that comes with denying us all the basic human rights that you guys have. Try taking a walk in a queer person's shoes for a day (I'd be happy to lend you mine), and then come back and tell me that that word doesn't REALLY mean anything.
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no thanks i think i would twist my ankle in high heels
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best comment ever
lmfao
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Good point. Next time someone demeans me or one of my friends with that word, instead of viewing it as an attack on our sexual preferences, I'll just assume that they're talking about something else, say, our clothes? I dunno, which fast food restaurants we like to eat at? Then maybe I won't be such a liberal who can't think outside of the box. What box is that, by the way? The box of being offended when someone demeans me because I'm queer? It's much easier to not be offended by that word when it hasn't been spat at you by idiots like Jared Swilley your whole life. Go to the dollar store and buy some opinions that make some fucking sense, then come back and talk to me.
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You might want to tag along and buy some facts? *Sorry, I say silly things when I speak with passion!* Clearly you don't understand the context in which Jared Swilley uses "Faggot." If you look at remarks he has made at Wavves in the past, he shows great disdain for their musical style, not their sexual preference. Sure it has negative connotations but none of which that are correlated to Wavves sexual preference in this instance. At best he is just a foul mouthed person.It's not about thinking outside the box...rather learning what is outside the box otherwise you're just throwing out blank statements and you become no better than those who you label "idiot" Good day sir.
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You're lame, on many levels.
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I can't comment on Black Lips, but I've seen Wavves a couple times, and aside from a poor vocal mix at Pitchfork, they've sounded pretty decent, or rather, pretty much like I've expected them to sound. My only issue with Wavves is that they only played for about 30 minutes. Pretty short for a headlining set. This was in Chicago about a week ago. I don't know if that's typical of their live shows.
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Were you at the wavves show at the chopin theater? Because although it was short, and they came on late, it was AMAZING! The moshpit was great, and zach hill, is rediculous. Not to mention what a great sport nathan was considering everyone kept knocking him over, disconnecting his pedals, and knocking over the microphone. But it seemed like he had a lot of fun, i bummed him a cigarette after the show.
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No, I was at the late show at the Empty Bottle. Not really a big crowd, but it was a really good show.
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You people should stop commenting about their music and just look at the situation. Indie this, lo-fi that, whatever! That Black Lips dude was a total ass and insulting someone will result in a sock to the face. Look at when Perz called William a faggot, he got socked (and then cried about it -_-). A insult between men never result in anything settled.
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Celebrity gossip.
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Black Lips are starting to get more press for what they do off the stage instead of on the stage. The good old days when they played 17 shows at SXSW. Now it's 17 fights in the the last 2 years
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Gotta love those minor leagues...poor Zach...
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Celebrity?
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And now we can all stop pretending the word 'faggot' isn't loaded.
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Cocaine is a terrible drug.
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Ultimately, this is kinda like if Screech and Steve Urkel had a beef. The Black Lips and their peeps bring some bad energy. Saw them at SXSW and their brethren were starting shit left and right. Starting shit was more important to them than listening to the band. I saw Wavves meltdown and that guy seems very "douche-esqe", as well. End result ....fail/fail.
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You guys are all a bunch of over-sensitive pussies.
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How is it that "Wavves" and "Bar Fight" were in a headline and Wavves came out the better guy?
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you sir, win
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Jared sounds like a douche either way even if he hadn't used the "f" word but lets not forgot the band is friends with Bradford Cox, tours foreign countries that most bands never even think to step foot in and have played classrooms for kids with learning disabilities. Bad choice of words but it contradicts their open mindedness over the years. They're punks and punks always got to rebel against something. In his mind he probably thinks he was turning a derogatory word into something different but... no dude, totally outta line here. No win situation with that word.
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Maybe it's the "They started getting all chuckles with me and so I told them I wasn't gonna have it." But The Black Lips dude reminds me of dude from trainspotting who liked to fight all the time
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i'm on :
TEAM WAVVES
goin to make a t-shirt now..
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This is all so gay.
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Nothing would make me happier than if these two bands killed each other off.
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Space prohibits me from listing the ways I am amused by this article. I'm a fan of neither band, but the Black Lips guy does come off as a dick. That said, I think it's hilarious that everyone's getting worked up over his sophomoric choice of insults. He said "faggot". Who fucking cares?
1. He's now perceived as a inarticulate douche.
2. It's a word. It caused no physical harm and only has as much power as you let it (See Lenny Bruce, suppression of words, etc.).
Fuck the guy from Black Lips. Next time some idiot verbally gay bashes you or one of your friends, maybe you should consider hitting them "square in the face with a bottle" instead of getting your feelings hurt and arguing semiotics. Pain is a great teacher.
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But doesn't the fact that you've engaged in violence against them belie that your feelings have been hurt in the first place? Or are we just killer robots who dispassionately and unemotionally attack all people who we suspect disapprove of us? In that case, the tourettic homeless guy on the streetcorner better watch out.
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You're going to cite a comedian on why words cannot harm and "have only as much power as you give them"? That's really convincing.
If you want to go at this from an intellectual level, how about you read some Saussure, Foucault, Culler, Lacan, Derrida, et al, on how language defines both how we perceive reality and ourselves and then try to tell me words are harmless.
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I've got a boner just thinking about how smart you are.
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also, re: your use of "semiotics"...you're doing it wrong.
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soooo uhhh how about that "200 Million Thousand" record, pretty fun, ay?
You can all go back to reading US Weekly: American Apparel edition, I'll put on some records.
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but, you commented. which indicates that you read and were presumably interested in this gossip too. cool guy.
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sometimes we all read things that are instantly regrettable, I'm more irritated with the commentators taking sides and pretending to have insight about pointless garbage .... now we're just as catty and simple than the idiots reading TMZ and gossiping about Britney or whoever is the new disaster. it's disappointing.
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LO-FIght
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no one should condone violence which ultimately is the main offense here; more specifically aggravated assault. while, obviously, the word faggot is condemned regularly in the blogs I wonder why the fact that dude was hit in the head with a bottle isn't garnering more attention. you hit someone in the head with a bottle, you might be trying to kill them and should be prosecuted accordingly. I live in Atlanta and patronize the bars often. I hope they have extra security on hand for this sundays show. I don't want to get caught in some skinny white guy brawl. they use weapons to compensate for their cat-fight-like tendencies. close those fists guys....no no, the thumb on the outside. if jared handn't shaved that mustache i would be on his side... i can imagine him in nipple-high shorts threatening wavves with 20's era fisticuffs.
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Wavves is Hitler's favorite band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmyPSw3TtlQ
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thank you.
that was awesome.
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Nathan is so Hot. I'm so glad he didn't get hurt. Passion Pit!!!!
Seriously though how do you think they're gonna deliver the punch line? Obviously an elaborate joke. All I know is I'd totes suck their dicks.
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hey Jared... pot kettle black.
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im gay. i say the word fag.....its the equivalent pussy or sissy not homosexual nowadays.
i would call my closeted roomate a fag all the time....cus he was a scared little baby about being who he was. what a fag. considering their onstage antics, jared was just calling the dude a sissy.bad choice of words but he knows black lips have alot of gay fans.
so to u oversensitive gay fags, lighten up!
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Riiiiight. I'm gay too and also totally oblivious to the social and historical connotations attached to words commonly used to deride groups of people. When I say "fag" I just mean someone who is a wimp or a baby or "without manhod." It doesn't mean gay! Just the kind of horrible, negative stereotypes commonly associated WITH gay people!
I'm black too - and I use the word "nigger" to mean someone who is just smelly and poor. But not black! See, it's not offensive at all!
/sarcasm
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Also part of the queer-mo club and I say fag, but when I'm referring to fag's. And only we're allowed to say it, got it. Don't buy in the heteros who tell you saying fag doesn't actually mean gay or saying that's gay only means that stupid. or whatever they're feeding you. You know what I say when someone is being a baby or a wimp? Hetero. Stop acting so hetero.
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no wonder a fight broke out, there was simply too much Class (capital-c) in one location!
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Wavves are one of the most overrated indie bands I've heard in a long time, and that's saying something. Unlistenable garbage. Though by no means favorites of mine, Black Lips are 1000x better.
And while I really don't think Jared was using "faggot" in a homophobic sort of way, he would have been much better off just calling Nathan a talentless cunt three times.
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wavves? more like faggs. what a talentless little pussycock who makes shit any kid in america makes in his bedroom.
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Oh zing. That's clever, faggs with a double 'g' because he's Wavves with a double 'v'. Haven't heard that one before. Classic.
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the jerkstore called, and they're running out of these guys.
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fuck both of these bands and their stupid attempts to get kanye publicity
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The guy from Black Lips isn't doing himself a favor acting like such a dick here. I don't think either band has that many great songs in the first place. What is there to fight about even?
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I wouldn't fuck with the black lips mannn.... DON'T RILE EM UP MANNN!!!
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I know how to settle this... BLOWJOB CONTEST!!!
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Ok, last one...
"They wrapped my head up until I looked like a Confederate soldier."
That dude looked like a confederate soldier way before they wrapped up his head... Nasty Style.
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So they guy playing the Hofner bass, wearing cut-off jean shorts in the latest issue of Spin is goin' around calling people "faggots?" Nice.
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C'mon guys, these missives are clearly coded messages for an amazing upcoming make out session between these two lovers.
"We're gonna mess up their van. Nasty style."?! That's hot. If this fight gets any more homoerotic, Michael Ian Black will make an appearance.
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I'M SOOOOOOO SOREEEEEE
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Jared has got the dirtiest of dirty dicks.
This fight was actually about 2 things...
(1.) the girl Nathan was talking to ("photographer friend"), both dudes have fucked her, and this makes Jared angry apparently
and
(2.) Jared Swilley and Alix from Golden Triangle being wasted out of their minds.
Also, it wasn't a beer bottle, it was a pint glass, and Nathan is the one who hit him with it.
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who is the photographer? link pls
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I'm suddenly reminded of the time Gravy Train played the club I worked at, and the little black dude started going off about how Jared from black Lips invited them to stay with him and then went all racist homophobic rhetoric on them after he started getting drunk.
Seems like ol' boy has some serious closet issues to work through.
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wow! two "indie rock" white boy brats getting into a cat fight - god williamsburg and all it's professional loser hipsters (i know nathan is from cali but he's cut from the same cloth) is such a blight on the human race - the beatniks had poetry, the hippies had peace, the punks had anger, but what have the hipsters ever brought to the table? nothing but a wave of lost waste-oids endlessly engaged in the battle of who's the "coolest" jesus fucking christ new york is dead....PLEASE FOR FUCK'S SAKE, JUST SAY "NO" TO BANDS FROM BROOKLYN!! PLEASE, GODZILLA, RISE AND DESTROY "INDIE ROCK"!!!!!!
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The hippies were to beatniks what hipsters are to punks and indie rock -- a vapid off-shoot that doesn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. But at least the hipsters are self-aware enough to know they're fucking worthless. The hippies pretended they gave a shit so they could have an excuse to get high.
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but... neither of the people invovled in this fight are from Brooklyn or even reside there.
listen man, if you hate on shit so hard and then it turns out that the facts are all wrong that led you to freak out... then maybe the problem is actually yourself?
just sayin, lighten up a little, get a life a little, Brooklyn is hardly a problem in your for real life. grow up.
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I don't really like either of these bands...
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I think it's funny if you go to the black lips 200 million thousand page on i-tunes, the first album in the listeners also bought section is wavves'.
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I guess I can't just comment without referring to the faggot thing. It doesn't matter if you think a word means something different to you, when it is pretty much defined as gay slander. That's like saying that you like calling the color red yellow, and it is other people's fault if they think you mean red when you say red.
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I meant call the color yellow red.
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Stop ruining the world with all your shitty comments. Just shut up, all of you.
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"All I remember is getting hit with the bottle and my friends dragging me to another bar. They wrapped my head up until I looked like a Confederate soldier."
uhh. ok, so you get hit in the head with a bottle. you're bleeding. you probably need stitches and medical attention. ok....ok.. let's think of the most logical thing to do in this situation. let's all go to another bar to take care of this. you idiot.
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we all need a good fight every once in a while.
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It's the indie press that is making a big deal of this. A little tissy fit in a BK bar and 50 indie news/blog sites are blowing this up, and here we are commenting on this shit.
For the record, Wavves has a much better, original sound than Black Lips. You are kidding yourself if you don't think so.
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Go see Black Lips live, then go see a Wavves show. No fucking comparison. YOU are kidding yourself, asshole.
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Ridiculous frankly. I doubt these guys know how to use the washroom, they just walk around with shit in their pants all day
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These bands are like T.O. Productive but ultimately not worth the trouble.
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Wavves records on Garageband... what an original sound! You fucktards obviously dont know shit about music. Go start a band.
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