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August 25, 2005

"Why You Can't Ignore Kanye"

Hip-hop gets the cover of Time. "More GQ than gangsta, Kanye West is challenging the way rap thinks about race and class."

Yeah, he's preppier than the other rappers, but if Kanye is really so innovative, why the tired Mayfield sample?

Kanye West - "Touch The Sky (Feat. Lupe Fiasco)" (MP3 Link Expired)

I'll give him this, though: Late Registration's gotta be the first album to feature cameos by Adam Levine, Paul Wall, Jon Brion, and Michel Gondry. Yes, the French director. He plays drums.

Related: Lushlife mashes Mr. West with Pet Sounds and lets you download the whole album in MP3 format.

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Posted by: arcade mike at 08/25/05 2:19 PM | Reply
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At a pre-Grammy luncheon this year Kanye said he wanted to be paid every time his photo ran in a magazine. So now I am going to have to assume that TIME paid him a million bucks for that cover. Kanye may be "a gentleman," just not a very smart one.

Posted by: fleurit at 08/25/05 2:21 PM | Reply
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That quote is actually referenced in the article. Kanye's a great producer, but it's amusing how using sped-up soul samples (about, what, every single time?) can make you the savior of rap. Yeah, how novel.

Posted by: John at 08/25/05 2:37 PM | Reply
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I enjoy some of his tracks, but I'm completely sick of this guy. His attitude probably has something to do with it, he seems to be infatuated with telling people how awesome his life is now that he's rich and famous. Most rapper talk about how much money they've got, and all that jazz, but he seems to take it to the next level. I saw about 30 seconds of an interview with him on MTV the other day and he made the statement, "Sometimes I wonder if I'm already in the afterlife, it's so good for me."

Posted by: Justin at 08/25/05 2:38 PM | Reply
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Plus, he can't rap, and his lyrics are surprisingly weak for a guy who is supposedly "enlightened".

Posted by: Justin at 08/25/05 2:40 PM | Reply
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you think the mayfield sample is tired? how about jamie foxx mimicking ray charles again on the hook of kayne's exhausted new song "goldigger". listen here, if you can bear it: http://www.badmintonstamps.com/zarchive0508.html#38

Posted by: skinnyslim at 08/25/05 2:40 PM | Reply
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Gotta love any mainstream (and Christian) rapper who preaches against homophobia. I agree on the "Move on Up" sample, though--a little lazy, indeed.

Posted by: Eric at 08/25/05 2:43 PM | Reply
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just cause he's metrosexual doesnt mean he's newsworthy, its his gimic. like a pro wrestler. Hip hop is a parody of itself. he raps about jesus walks but you cant sing any of his other songs in church... so dont be talking about jesus homeboy. you breed drugs, sex, lies, videotape on all the rest of your tracks so we dont buy you being "saved" you breed more stereotypes then you bend. he was hot when he's hungry, now that he's rich, he's wack...

Posted by: Kayne West at 08/25/05 3:07 PM | Reply
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Snarky ass crackers. Don't you have some washed up celebrity to rip on or snide comments to make about an album made my middle class crackers that you all buy but hate on? You know why there are hardly any brothers at your indie rock shows? Cause brothers aren't such boring ass pussies. Also, brothers like booty not that resembling a 12 year old nerd shit dressed in thrift store bullshit you're all pimping. Man I'm surprised Urkel isn't a goddamn indie rock pinup. Bitches. I got sent here cause someone said hey go get the new Kanye track. You all disgust me, goddamn middle class yuppie boring ass crackers. Let's hate on the successful socially conscious but honest black artist but oooh, cool, he used a French white dude as a drummer! I don't care if you talked to moveon.org on the phone or read some Ralph Ellison in college, y'all is still ignorant white folk.

Posted by: Kassim at 08/25/05 3:12 PM | Reply
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"yo Dre stick to producing".....never more has this phrase been more prevalent then with Kanye …..WEAK rhymes, but great producer – so why all the praise. I guess it’s for the people who don’t care about the lyrics, but “just like a good beat” Overrated!

Posted by: Tyler at 08/25/05 3:13 PM | Reply
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ignorant white folk.....thats so 90's, hey so was urkel.....skills is skills - Kanye doesn't got 'em - do yourself a favor Kassim and go buy a blackalicious album - your head might explode

Posted by: Tyler at 08/25/05 3:25 PM | Reply
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ignorant white folk.....thats so 90's, hey so was urkel.....skills is skills - Kanye doesn't got 'em - do yourself a favor Kassim and go buy a blackalicious album - your head might explode

Posted by: Tyler at 08/25/05 3:26 PM | Reply
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what a ridiculous thread.

john - sped-up soul samples are noticeably absent from the new album

justin - of all the self-promoting things kanye has said (say, for example, claiming he was robbed at the AMAs), the thing that's gonna get your goat is 'my life is so good right now, it feels like heaven' ?

"you can't sing any of his other songs in church" - that one should win some kind of prize. but you're absolutely right. someone take kanye's christianity away. he swears and shit!

and as far as lyrics/flow go... i'll take him over most top 40 hip-hop any day of the week.

Posted by: haters! at 08/25/05 3:37 PM | Reply
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The best part about Kassim's post above is the sentence that only reads: "Bitches." I can really taste the pregnant pause before *AND* after that sentence. Nice. (See, I can do it too). And by the way, Kassim, I like booty (have you been to Suicide Girls? There are so many fat indie girls there...brothers like fats girls too, right?). Also: don't forget that we used to listen to Arrested Development in addition to the move-on.org and Ellison in college. So, we aren't totally ignorant.
"Free South Africa, you dumb son-of-a-bitch."
-Danny Glover / Sgt. Murtaugh in Lethal Weapon

Posted by: Lefty Leroux at 08/25/05 3:38 PM | Reply
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Shows what you know, Kassim, I'm an UPPER-middle class cracker.

Posted by: Topher at 08/25/05 3:59 PM | Reply
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Negatives aside (like the fact that 'Jesus Walks' is way too much like Nas) I can't help but like Kanye.

Yeah he talks big, but I feel like it's in a nicer, be-my-friend kind of way.

But I'm just a cracka', what does I kno'?

Posted by: Mat at 08/25/05 4:16 PM | Reply
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go back to picking cotton kassim, is that ignorant enough for you?

Posted by: howard sterns nose at 08/25/05 4:17 PM | Reply
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Kanye's new record isn't too bad. What I have a problem with is the fact that he raps some insightful ideas, then the songs end up talking about himself and his image. It's pretty bizarre. But it's a pretty good record.

Oh but I didn't mean to interrupt the silly anonymous personal attacks... those always help a conversation.

Posted by: whb at 08/25/05 4:31 PM | Reply
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Kanye may be arrogant, but he's talented. Can't deny that. Great producer and good lyricist. Yeah, maybe he's not Blackalicious or Dead Prez, but here's a socially conscious rapper who's actually on Top 40 radio; is that so bad? I'm willing to bet that if he hadn't blown up, most people commenting on this site would hail him as "the next great MC." The album is actually pretty good, give it a listen and a chance.

And howard sterns nose, you're a fucking asshole prick! Take your elitist racist attitude and shove it.

Posted by: Jon at 08/25/05 4:42 PM | Reply
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Everyone just got TOLD by Kassim.

Posted by: some of my best friends are! at 08/25/05 4:42 PM | Reply
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gum posts it, everyone loves or hates it, personal attacks with rebuttals, its still just a record. thanks for the news, gum.

Posted by: mike at 08/25/05 4:55 PM | Reply
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you guys know he didn't write jesus walks, right? it's a cover version. he bought the song with the beat, and it includes most of the original's lyrics. "i don't make music, i make medicine". you make faker bullshit, kayne.

Posted by: ghraternatursftareats at 08/25/05 4:59 PM | Reply
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I can't deny it...I love me some Kanye...mmmm.

Posted by: mandy* at 08/25/05 5:00 PM | Reply
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yea I cant help but like kayne to a degree too... which shows you how much one can be brainwashed by the interconnected industry of radio, labels, mtv and the like. and kayne is pretty good and one of the better things hip hop has to offer. WHICH IS WHY I DONT GET WHY PEOPLE DONT HEAR THE EMERGENCY CALL THAT HIP HOP'S ELITIE LIKE KAYNE WEST ARE SIRENS FOR: hip hop is wack. untalented, undereducated mouthpieces for america and the world. theives, drug users, disrespectful morons are "hot"... nah. what hip hop right now is really doing is parodizing those who create it and those who consume it's real and beleive in it. hip hop is dead.

Posted by: kayne west at 08/25/05 5:03 PM | Reply
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yea thats true, jesus walks was bought from "rhymefest" from indianapolis indiana... he won a grammy for it. I went to see him at mid west music confrence and he didnt show up to play... I left after waiting 2 hours and he had a wack DJ poser. they only way kayne is challenging the way the US tries to look at culture and class and race and whatnot is by being metrosexual. if TIME equates this with challenging class or race I must be loss. dude makes lots of money, buys expensive shit, is still lyrically irresponsbile, kinda weak, getting lazy and got lucky in life, with skills that dont mean jack... and now he's the role model for millions. wack.

Posted by: kayne west at 08/25/05 5:08 PM | Reply
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Michel Gondry? Kanye should have gotten Jean-Luc Godard and Chris Marker to play drums, that's how real gangstas roll.

Posted by: AlanRudolph at 08/25/05 5:17 PM | Reply
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Geez you guys are grumpy. I like the new album, it's a solid, well written, excellently produced pop album - and a very musical one at that. Having Jon Brion join the mix really seems to have paid off, definetely some unusual insturmentation - it's pretty out there in terms of the actual music when placed along all the other top 40 hip hop stuff. Not that it means anything but Rolling Stone gave it 5 stars and I saw it got 4 out of 4 stars in the LA Times today.

Posted by: Greg Samsa at 08/25/05 5:18 PM | Reply
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I'm kinda in the middle on ol' Kanye, where on the one hand, College Dropout was a classic LP, and I admire what he is doing. But while he is hailed as having such an innovative, positive approach to hip hop, the guy comes off as being so Goddamn arrogant, he may as well be rapping about luxury goods and strippers. This Time article compares him to Run DMC back in the day, how they were middle class African Americans doing songs addressing the importance of education, not pretending to be from the streets, and it says that Kanye is in the same boat. I understand how he can do songs like "Gold Digger" and "the new workout plan" with a hint of irony, taking on a money loving, misogynisic character for the sake of illustrating a point, but then you read things about his outburts at award shows, and that million dollars for his picture in a magazine comment, and you start to wonder how much of this "Polo clad educated rapper from the suburbs" image is bullshit. I mean, I love Jay Z for his cockiness, but he never pretends or hints that he is any other way. With Kanye, I think it may be a case of saying one thing and doing another.

Posted by: david brent at 08/25/05 5:23 PM | Reply
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"I felt like the Bad Boy street team
I couldn't work the LOX"

THAT SHIT IS FUNNY!

Posted by: jb at 08/25/05 5:34 PM | Reply
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I'm not a buisness man, I'm a buisness, man
Let me handle my buisness, damn!

Posted by: Jay at 08/25/05 5:34 PM | Reply
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yea, jay z is the real shit. Kayne is a flamboyent, cocky punk. Its funny about how much rappers talk about sex, how many... as opposed to how many do... how many do you think DONT have STDs?

Posted by: kayne west at 08/25/05 5:35 PM | Reply
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We got it, Kanye, you don't like rap...

Posted by: whb at 08/25/05 5:38 PM | Reply
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if you wanna hear some real rap, go listen to House Of Pain - Jump Around. Y'all betta recognize! Bitches. (I can do it too.)

"I'm the cream of the crop, I rise to the top
I never eat a pig cause a pig is a cop
Or better yet a terminator
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger"

check out these lyrics. they are fat. it's like the great american novel!

Posted by: Shenanigans at 08/25/05 5:51 PM | Reply
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Wow...lets all use ebonic's in our comments

kanye west - Late Registration-2005-RETAIL Z

http://files.filefront.com/k05_exe/;4052834;;/fileinfo.html

password= kanye

Posted by: Yale Bloor at 08/25/05 5:54 PM | Reply
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No... the thing is I love hip hop. I really do. but its stale and sad because of what it has become. I've worked in it, on the inside and ran from that ish as soon as I could. you had real innovation for a while, now its stagnent. something big has to happen. and besides, the sort of influence the people have who are artists, labels, radio, film, videogames etc. should cause people to wrech and throw up. reckless, undereducated, heathens are our role models! yuck.

Posted by: kayne west at 08/25/05 5:59 PM | Reply
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he's arrogant, he's fake. whatever. who cares? he is an entertainer and entertainers peddle bullshit. it's their job. now if you like his rapping, cool. if not, don't listen.

Posted by: c at 08/25/05 6:01 PM | Reply
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I wonder if kayne will slowly turn as bitchass as the neptunes. remember them? they used to make hot tracks. then their balloon got too inflated and bust, they turned into garbage. ¡Viva! Industry Hype! ¡Viva Record Industry and its fraternal club of GARBAGE!

Posted by: kayne west at 08/25/05 6:01 PM | Reply
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Cindy Sheehan's PR agent is so gonna get fired.

Posted by: Jim H at 08/25/05 6:07 PM | Reply
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the track with the mayfield sample was produced by just blaze not kanye.

Posted by: scottpl at 08/25/05 6:39 PM | Reply
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I don't like kanye all that much and I don't like the attitude of this board in general. I visit here often enough for long enough to know for a fact that the majority of you know nothing about hip hop. Hey, man. I don't know all that much either. But I don't understand the double standard. How can people who write 2,000 word essays on why their knowledge and experience and erudition give them more right to their opinion about a particular band or movement (I've listened to DCFC since the womb, anyone?) then turn around and offer opinions on areas where they're clearly ignorant?

Kanye, I don't believe you know what you're talking about. Even I know that no one that is currently listening to hip hop uses the word "wack" like that. It's not 1996, honey.

Posted by: janine at 08/25/05 6:49 PM | Reply
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Janine - "I know that no one that is currently listening to hip hop uses the word "wack" like that. It's not 1996, honey." .... EXACTLY.

Posted by: kayne west at 08/25/05 7:11 PM | Reply
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I do like Kanye and the album's pretty decent, but still.. same shit, different day. Kanye admits as much in the article, where he says that he didn't want to "innovate too much." Basically, if ain't broken, don't fix it.

As to fewer sped up soul samples, well...

01."Wake Up Mr. West" contains excerpts from "Someone That I Used To Love" as performed by Natalie Cole. (Produced by Kanye West)
02. "Heard 'Em Say" contains excerpts from "Someone That I Used To Love" as performed by Natalie Cole. (Produced by Kanye West)
03. "Touch The Sky" contains samples from the Curtis Mayfield recording "Move On Up" (Produced by Just Blaze)
04. "Gold Digger" contains samples from the Ray Charles recording of "I Got a Woman" (Produced by Kanye West)
05. "Skit #1"
06. "Drive Slow" contains a sample from a Hank Crawford recording. (Produced by Kanye West)
07. "My Way Home" contains a sample from "Home Is Where The Hatred Is" performed by Gil Scott-Heron. (Produced by Kanye West)
08. "Crack Music" contains a sample of "Since You Came In My Life" as performed by New York Community Choir. (Produced by Kanye West)
09. "Roses" contains a sample of "Rosie" as performed by Bill Withers. (Produced by Kanye West)
10. "Bring Me Down" (Produced by Kanye West)
11. "Addiction" contains elements of "My Funny Valentine" performed by Etta James. (Produced by Kanye West)
12. "Skit #2"
13. "Diamonds From Sierra Leone (Remix)" contains a sample from "Diamonds Are Forever" performed by Shirley Bassey. (Produced by Kanye West)
14. "We Major" contains a sample of the recording "Action" as performed by Orange Crush. (Produced by Kanye West)
15. "Skit #3"
16. "Hey Mama" contains samples from the Donal Leace recording "Today Won't Come Again" (Produced by Kanye West)
17. "Celebration" contains a sample of "Heavenly Dream" performed by the KayGee's. (Produced by Kanye West)
18. "Skit #4"
19. "Gone" contains samples from the Otis Redding "It's Too Late" (Produced by Kanye West)
20. "Diamonds From Sierra Leone" contains a sample of "Diamonds Are Forever" performed by Shirley Bassey. (Produced by Kanye West) (Bonus Track)
21. "Late" (Hidden Track) (Produced by Kanye West)

Posted by: John at 08/25/05 7:22 PM | Reply
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The fact that Kanye is King simply illustrates just how mediocre the field of rap/hip-hop has become. OK, so he's better than Fergie "I-Piss-My-Pants-On-Stage" and her dreadfully defangled BlackEyedPees compadres. Bue Kanye is just about 17 light years away from freakin' Ghetto Boys, Sugarhill Gang, early Snoop/Dre shiznit and early stuff from my homeboyws NWA...Homeboy needs to get more than a Euro drummer to reach the level of smooth cool & passion those brothers mentioned above were flying at.

And Kassim cracks me up, he sounds like he's about two thoughts away from mandating an affirmative action program in the musicmaking biz...one in which only half-assedly decent, defangled acts could prevail. Phew...

Where is Youngblood Priest when you need him?

Posted by: Eurocracker Jack at 08/25/05 7:34 PM | Reply
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Janine - "I know that no one that is currently listening to hip hop uses the word "wack" like that. It's not 1996, honey." .... EXACTLY.

2 POINTS FOR REVERSAL!

Posted by: some of my best friends are! at 08/25/05 8:27 PM | Reply
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Did "Eurocracker" really just put the SugarHill Gang in the same category as the Geto Boyz and NWA? The SugarHill Gang were about as "real" as Debbie Harry on "Rapture." Gimme a break.

Posted by: Eric at 08/25/05 8:38 PM | Reply
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does anyone know where i can download the new broken social scene cd?

Posted by: dan at 08/25/05 8:39 PM | Reply
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get me your E-mail DanO..... and what about the snizzle on your dizzle?

Posted by: Yale Bloor at 08/25/05 8:45 PM | Reply
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Janine, I totally know more about hip-hop than you.

Posted by: Justin at 08/25/05 9:09 PM | Reply
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Kanye makes catchy, danceable music that has (relatively) smart lyrics. I, for one, approve. Stop over-analyzing music people.

By the way, Kassim speaks the truth.

Posted by: Frank at 08/25/05 10:17 PM | Reply
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I love it when people post stupid comments like "I don't like kanye all that much and I don't like the attitude of this board in general" yet *voluntarily* continue going to the site... or maybe someone's propping open their eyelids and forcing them to watch Clockwork Orange style! :)

Posted by: The 15-Minute Hipster at 08/25/05 10:43 PM | Reply
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Is no one going to comment on Lushlife's weak mashup of Kanye songs with one of the greatest albums of all time, 'Pet Sounds'?

Lushlife basically takes a string sample from a Beach Boys song, drops kanye's vocals on it, and makes his own beats. You can't even tell it's Beach Boys most of the time.

The songs rise and fall on Kanye's lyrics, the beats are pedestrian, and then no Beach Boys. The most heinous offender is "Breathe in Breathe Out" that has no Beach Boys except for one vocal line thrown in.

The "wouldn't it be nice" mash with "Kanye's Workout Plan" is one exception. Brilliant use of the music of the Beach Boys, fitting the singing in the song perfectly. Another exception is Diamonds mashed with "That's Not Me" - Simply for it's use of the "I once had a dream so I packed up and split for the city".

This is airtight mashing, but it shows very little taste, and seems like more of a gimmick to gain attention, rather than a real work of art. It doesn't hold a candle to "The Grey Album."

Posted by: Paul at 08/26/05 1:59 AM | Reply
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Welly Well Well...if so...boys and gals, break out your suspenders and codpieces. It's time for the surprise visit, and maybe a little in and out.

Posted by: calliwell at 08/26/05 2:30 AM | Reply
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I gotta laugh at the dumbasses on here repeatedly referencing "kayne" west (even posting as "kayne"). Yeah you definitely know your hip hop...

Posted by: Chu Chu at 08/26/05 8:38 AM | Reply
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chu chu - well at least Im not a train. did fergie piss her pants on stage?

Posted by: kayne west at 08/26/05 10:02 AM | Reply
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"Kassim speaks the truth"

Actually, Kassim doled out every hateful 'indie rocker' stereotype he could think of and called us all racist for liking that certain genre of music. Classy!

That aside, Kanye West is totally overrated, and I used to not mind him as well, but all his attention getting bullshit has got to stop. OOh! he's talking about Jesus! SCANDALOUS! OH god, now he's telling all his 'fellow rappas' to dig the gays!! He's a true AMERICAN HERO!!

I'm sorry, but people have been campaigning against the unjust hate of social minorities for years. Kanye is nothing new, and his rap itself is uninspired. Funny though, whenever anyone says this, someone in turn comments 'His production is amazing'. I take solace in the idea that one day his ego will grow to be so enormous, that perhaps his head will explode. And for the record, I don't give a shit that his jaw was wired shut and he had the courage to come back!! or whatever. People do this all the time. He's not special. He's very average, he's very run of the mill.

Scott, really now, screw Kanye "I'm the Best Rapper to Ever Rap Raps" West, post some new Broken Social Scene mp3's.

Posted by: loveanddeath at 08/26/05 10:11 AM | Reply
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15-min... I've been coming here forever and I will continue to. I'm just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it. (BTW, I vistied your blog to find out who you think you are. No one's definitely being forced to go there, eh? Maybe one of your posts will get 10 comments one day... maybe)

I also visit some hip hop boards, as I grew up on old school hip hop but dropped it in the 8th grade. (I've completely dated myself as ancient. Raise your hands if you remember the premier of the Push It video on BET.) I've been trying to find out what quality music I've missed. Across the board, the good web sites treat other genres with respect.

Anyways, I'm referring in general to the sort of indie universalism and club-housery I see, where unless you own like every EP of every side project put out by all the members of frickin Dinosaur Jr., you have no right to talk. But at the same time, you're any kind of judge of hip hop based on your love of M.I.A, Fannypack, and one Outkast album?

You still didn't address my question: Can you justify this double standard to me, rather than adopting a "Love it or Leave It" attitude more appropriate to Ken Chesney than a so-called hipster with an appropriately ignored blog.

Posted by: janine at 08/26/05 10:44 AM | Reply
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But does KANYE have GAME?

The Game - Untold Story, Vol. 2 [2005]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=223F0QHD

Posted by: Yale Bloor at 08/26/05 10:44 AM | Reply
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The new 'Ye album is quite possibly the best hip hop album of the year (thus far, still looking forward to the Little Brother and Blackalicious releases). The last time there was such a leap in quality between a first and second release was with Outkast's Southernplaya... and ATLiens. Tired Mayfield sample? I think not. Take a close listen to Late Registration and you'll find something that is better than just about any other album this year, especially out of the some of the shit that you guys dickride on.

Posted by: Kevin at 08/26/05 11:11 AM | Reply
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The new 'Ye album is quite possibly the best hip hop album of the year (thus far, still looking forward to the Little Brother and Blackalicious releases). The last time there was such a leap in quality between a first and second release was with Outkast's Southernplaya... and ATLiens. Tired Mayfield sample? I think not. Take a close listen to Late Registration and you'll find something that is better than just about any other album this year.

Posted by: Kevin at 08/26/05 11:11 AM | Reply
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I don't know, Kevin, "dickride"? That sounds vaguely homophobic. Would 'Ye approve?

Posted by: Justin at 08/26/05 4:04 PM | Reply
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the beach boys/kanye mash is TERRIBLE.

Posted by: Chris at 08/26/05 4:34 PM | Reply
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wow. A black guy that actually wears clothes that fit for once. I hate those xxxxxl white tshirts. I like how he rails against the african diamond mines but wears alot of bling himself.

Posted by: jizzbomb at 08/26/05 6:41 PM | Reply
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Holy. Chill out, Janine. Your first post was based entirely on a stereotype. You seem to harbor some resentment towards 'indie kids'...let it go, man. Let it go!

Posted by: loveanddeath at 08/26/05 8:57 PM | Reply
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How is dickride homophobic?

Posted by: Kevin at 08/27/05 1:44 AM | Reply
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"I also visit some hip hop boards, as I grew up on old school hip hop but dropped it in the 8th grade. (I've completely dated myself as ancient. Raise your hands if you remember the premier of the Push It video on BET.) I've been trying to find out what quality music I've missed. Across the board, the good web sites treat other genres with respect.

Anyways, I'm referring in general to the sort of indie universalism and club-housery I see, where unless you own like every EP of every side project put out by all the members of frickin Dinosaur Jr., you have no right to talk. But at the same time, you're any kind of judge of hip hop based on your love of M.I.A, Fannypack, and one Outkast album?"


A-fucking-men, Janine!

Posted by: Eliza at 08/27/05 10:55 AM | Reply
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ummm actually you homosexuals and metros, this new album kanyeezy upped his lyrical game and his production style is more complicated this time around. Gone are the constant sped up samples and simple song structure. This album is worth all the rave reviews. Kanye is improving at what he does and in this day and age, thats special because most artists get worse with each album they drop. So start showing some love and respect to this guy who is putting out good hiphop music that can everyone can listen to. Appreciate it!

Posted by: haterade at 08/27/05 11:54 AM | Reply
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kanye west's music is missing something: authenticity

everything he does seems forced and unnatural

that's why M.I.A. said nothankyou to a guest appearance, because the real deal can smell the fetid stench of inauthentic shit from miles away

Posted by: gazeinthemilitary at 08/27/05 1:06 PM | Reply
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Kanye is inauthentic? Forced and unnatural?? He couldn't be more full of himself (in every possible interpretation of the phrase). Would an inauthentic artist rerecord his first single before it starts to really blow up after learning that his subject matter is less than glamorous? And then make those conflicting feelings the subject of the new song? M.I.A. is good, and we'll see where her career goes; she still has a lot to prove. Kanye is well established and proven. Late Registration is a solid step forward.

Posted by: masta illa at 08/27/05 3:04 PM | Reply
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yes that's exactly what an inauthentic artist would do: suddenly try to correct for the fact that he is missing a certain chip...what's that chip...oh yeah...the authenticity chip

as for "a solid step forward"

are you even aware of the fact that modernism is over???

Posted by: ManleyStanley at 08/27/05 11:12 PM | Reply
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the kanye / beach boys mash up IS THE WORST. DON'T BOTHER WITH IT

Posted by: yo at 08/27/05 11:45 PM | Reply
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"OOh! he's talking about Jesus! SCANDALOUS! OH god, now he's telling all his 'fellow rappas' to dig the gays!! He's a true AMERICAN HERO!!

I'm sorry, but people have been campaigning against the unjust hate of social minorities for years. Kanye is nothing new, and his rap itself is uninspired."

Holy shit. It's hard to fathom, but this might be the single stupidest statement on the entire Internet. Social activism is played out, huh? Try to grasp this ... innovation is not the last word in musical excellence. Music can be about heritage and communication, not just new trix. We have your vaunted newness to thank for electroclash, remember. As long as people like you are saying things like "fellow rappas" and "the gays," it's clear that "campaigning against the unjust hate of social minorities" has plenty of life left in it.

Posted by: Brian at 08/28/05 5:02 PM | Reply
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Ultimately KW makes disposable music. It has all the soul of a Black Eyed Peas commercial, er that is, music video. The "college dropout" schtick is already old and tired. And, did anyone see him on Punk'd? ...not very Christian KW. His pink cardigan wrapped around his neck almost came undone. Jeepers!

Posted by: Booty Basster at 08/29/05 3:16 PM | Reply
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...and Pitchfork's 9.5 is absolutely ridoculous. Apparently, you can close the books b/c it isn't likely that there will ever be such a near flawless record made ever again. Hang up yuur mics dun!

Posted by: Hard Drugz are making a cumback at 08/29/05 3:20 PM | Reply
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I'd rather listen to Late Registration than stab my ears out listening to a complete ridiculous band named "clap your hands say yeyah!!!"

Posted by: TheCritic at 08/29/05 4:29 PM | Reply
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Booty Basster, have you actually listened to the College Dropout? I think somebody's making uninformed opinions!!!

Just because he sang "Jesus Walks" doesn't mean he's Billy Graham for fuck's sake. He's arrogant, but he's human, and that's what makes his album so great. I know it'll be hard to top your favorite Kid 'N Play records, but you really should give it a chance.

Call me "ridoculous," but I can't wait to pick up Late Registration tomorrow.

Posted by: Edwin at 08/29/05 5:56 PM | Reply
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u guys all hate but u take take time to recognize him and write a bunch of shit. he isn't as big as he is because he sucks
so relax with the i hate kanye west's

Posted by: jeremy at 08/30/05 10:11 PM | Reply
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i really dont understand what everyone's crying about. half the reason kanye is so good is because he is hilarious, the irony of his lyrics isnt him being 'wack' its him being funny. i dont think someone like kanye would get so support by the likes of mos def, talib kweli and common if he wasnt lyrically talented. personally he is by far one of the most talented rappers on the stage at the moment. so what he talks about how much money hes got? half the time its a joke anyway, and the clueless of you suggesting that the irony of hip-hop will be its downfall are the most ignorant. the irony of hip-hop is what ads to its deliciousness, you see people on TV with millions, bitching about how hard they had it. hip hop is the way of the future, the middle ground between angry dance/trance music and indie rock, its music you can dance to but can also sit at home and lounge around to and kanye epitomises that through both his lyrics and beats.

Posted by: gone at 08/31/05 5:43 AM | Reply
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Yeah!!! Let's here it for the bitter, miserable, elitist, emotionally numb assholes on this board. You father fuckers wouldn't know a good time if it sat on your face. I admit that Kanye isn't the greatest ever, but he pisses you people off which is just great to me. Lighten up and try making something yourselves, instead of shitting on other people's work. "Mr. West's music is often shallow and arrogant." Whoopty fucking doo! So is the AC/DC catalog. Stop analyzing the world and let yourselves be part of it OR keep stewing in your criticisms and trying to convince yourself you're cool. I'm too arrogant to honestly give a shit:)

Posted by: Your Mom at 08/31/05 9:53 PM | Reply
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Kanye West has got talent, and there's no deneying that. What he has learnt to do, is come from another point of view from the hustling type such as Jay-Z. Jay-Z and Damon Dash said, when they met Kanye, they knew straight away, he hadn't hustled once in his life. He is though talented, and there's not deneying that. His first LP the college dropout was great. Yes, the skits are a bit annoying, but Eminem has them too. No doubt, if Kanye Came into the ROC from the start, it would be a hundred times stronger then when it was at its hay-day. LONG LIFE ROCAFELLA

Posted by: rewind at 09/01/05 1:46 PM | Reply
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i'm confused, you say long 'life' rocafella, but your name is rewind. thats a nas song. which brings me to my next point, isn't it a bit wrong for kanye to do a track with nas on his new album(even though it is possibly the worst track) when it was jay-z who signed him?
please explain

Posted by: gone at 09/01/05 7:34 PM | Reply
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Even though Jay-Z signed Kanye, that shouldn't mean that he shouldn't do work with other artists. Jay said at the metting where Kanye played his new album, that during production of Late Registration that one of his favorite songs was that one with Nas. Nas is a great artist, no doubt about it, and rewind is a great song. Do you not agree that one of the problems with hip-hop these days is that fact so many great artists are not working together because of the beef that other artists on the same record label have with them.

Posted by: rewind at 09/02/05 9:49 AM | Reply
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kanye is better than a lot that is out there, but he ain't no genius and ther are many flaws in both albums both lyrically and in terms o beats, i mean come on 'forever ever' repeated 500 times is more than paying homage to outkast, this is what we like to call 'skanking the fuck out of some one elses lyrics'. and M.I.A has more talent in one of the opening skits in her alb