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Good article. One note though: Droste never said Grizzly Bear members couldn’t AFFORD health insurance – he just said some of them didn’t have it. It’s a decision they make. If finances play a part, it has less to do with their income and more to do with the outrageous cost of health insurance and the relatively low need for healthy guys in their 30s to have it.
Let’s be real: Grizzly Bear makes tens of thousands of dollars a night.
Good lord. I think it’s time for the Anonymous peeps to intervene in the ongoing fiasco that is Amanda Palmer.
I heard Written in Reverse on the radio a few times. Never heard Ga Ga Ga singles on the radio. Not that radio’s a great barometer for what is satisfying pop…but apparently some people were convinced.
Right, so you understand that Transference is more of the Spoon Sound (which I would define as not just minimal but experimental.) I think it’s superior to Ga Ga Ga because of that and just as importantly because it has better songs.
You’re free to disagree with me on both counts. You’re free to like Ga Ga Ga more than Transference.
The only thing I was saying is that if you think GGGGG is #1 and Transference is #6, despite it being one of the fullest distillations of the Spoon Sound and having many great songs…then yeah, you kinda don’t get Spoon.
such a good point. one of their best lyrics. i can’t believe he actually said that. i missed that because this list is so ridiculous that once i got to transference i just started skimming the rest.
I think a good example of what you guys are talking about is My Morning Jacket. Good band, but Spoon oughta be way bigger than them.
Yep. That says nothing about Transference and everything about Stereogum.
I guess you guys are totally right. To me it seems this is just the facts of being a good rock band today – there’s not a huge market for it. The Kills still aren’t that big stars, Sleater-Kinney never made it that big, even the Arctic Monkeys aren’t that big of a band in America.
On one hand it is very odd that a band like Sigur Ros could play MSG when Spoon probably can’t and they’re so much more accessible. I think the band deserves a much higher profile but I am glad that we get to enjoy them on a somewhat more intimate level.
My response to your statement about “pop monents” might have been better made about Got Nuffin and “Written in Reverse” rather than “Mystery Zone”…either way, though.
Yup. I think it might be the 2nd best record of the last 15 years behind Kid A. I’m a musician too and it’s really easy for us to see this…but I think most people recognize Kill the Moonlight as their best. Except, curiously, Stereogum.
Fair enough but Got Nuffin and Mystery Zone were vastly more satisfying pop moments than The Underdog or Cherry Bomb, so there goes your argument.
And they’re also more musically accomplished.
And they’re also more sexy, darkly minimalist.
And they also container much deeper lyrical meaning.
They’re Spoon being more Spoon.
The same is true of Transference generally compared to Ga Ga Ga.
Robert Christgau gave Kill the Moonlight an A. The only A minus he gives them is Transference.
Despite Christgau’s obvious love for Spoon in the Gimme Fiction and Ga Ga Ga reviews, he only gives them a B+.
Robert Christgau knows his shit.
it means you probably prefer Billy Joel to Radiohead.
Good list. Mine’s almost the same except switch 1 w/ 2 and 4 w/ 5. I could see the merits of those switches. What I can’t understand is JJ Toth’s list.
Are they underrated? I guess you’re right. By who? It all depends on whose opinion you value. I feel like it’s pretty much consensus that they’re the best rock and roll band of their generation, or at least up there with Wilco, Arcade Fire, etc. I could be wrong about that though. True, they don’t get the kind of Grammy love those bands get but so what? Or there are the types who prefer Animal Collective or Grizzly Bear, etc. and I guess maybe they underrate Spoon but who cares?
Agree w/ everything you said. Even Telephono, which I’d probably rate last and even Britt has said he doesn’t love, I think, hey, that’s still a really damn good record.
Yeah everyone’s entitled to their opinion but if you think Ga Ga is #1 and Transference is #6 then you fundamentally misunderstand Spoon.
Don’t let JJ Toth irk you – he’s trolling and you’re right.
Maybe you assumed that b/c those are their 2 best records.
Here is someone who understands Spoon (albeit underrates Girls Can Tell.)
Exactly. Rather obviously not in the same league as those 2.
Then you don’t get Spoon.
Yeah Transference is clearly their best record besides the 1-2 punch of Kill The Moonlight/Girls can tell. GaGaGa is Spoon coasting…Transference is Spoon creating.
JJ Toth is pretty much trolling, his list so fundamentally misunderstands Spoon.
A few weeks ago in the Stones list, some people including me attempted a Spoon ranking. My list got a bunch of up-votes, and none of the other lists got any. So I’m just going to say that this is the real list as voted by Stereogum readers:
1. Kill the Moonlight
2. Girls Can Tell
3. Transference
4. Ga Ga Ga
5. Gimme Fiction
6. Series of Sneaks
7. Telephono
wow that’s really sad if true. i thought even the worst contracts still allowed the band enough control over their publishing to prevent stuff like this.
Why on Earth would Radiohead allow this? (not that i’ve ever seen glee or watched the above clip.)
If Kings of Leon had enough integrity to prevent Glee from using them, you’d think Radiohead would.
i don’t know if it’s a pot shot. he’s saying usher blows. it’s more a statement of fact.
Someone should start a Kickstarter that will award money to 12 different musicians/bands who write a song mocking Amanda Palmer.