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Flaming Lips are an old band with a very strong fan base as well as critical acclaim. They’ve done plenty of weird stuff in the past but have always been able to temper the weird with the valid. Now they are doing whatever they want. They’ve earned it. They’re old enough to do whatever they want. So, let them.
I don’t think an artist has any right to disown a work they produce. Even if they regard it as a mistake. If you make something commercially available, it will represent you for the rest of your life. I think it’s great that they re-tooled their aesthetic and put a lot of work into re-imagining their image. Considering how they started out it’s nothing short of a miracle what they were able to accomplish. Still, they recorded Soulside, and it happened to be a very good example of that style of music (of course it doesn’t approach Entombed…), a far better example of Scandinavian death metal than most of the middle period albums were exemplary of Norwegian black metal. It’s actually very higly regarded in the death metal community. Just last year, Decible Magazine put it on their top 100 greatest death metal albums list: http://rateyourmusic.com/lists/list_view?list_id=363433&show=25&start=25 I think it deserves to be in the middle somewhere. It really is a good album.
What I really fear is that the reason it got stuck at the bottom was because black metal tends to be accepted by the mainstream music press and Pitchfork hipsters to a much greater degree than does death metal. What do you say about that?
You point out that Darkthrone changed their names after Soulside, but the problem is that they didn’t change the name of the band. If they had, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Really, don’t you think it’s odd they didn’t just start a new band? Since they didn’t, that suggests to me that they wanted to continue the artistic vison they started with their earlier incarnation. Strangely, that didn’t really come through in any way. I just don’t get it. It’s the second most bewildering example of metal band retaining the name, but nothing else from an earlier incarnation (Napalm Death being the number one example).
Look, I’m sorry I called that decision lazy because it came off as way too negative about what you’ve accomplished here. I really enjoyed reading what you’ve written.
Putting Soulside Journey last was just lazy. It’s hard to believe that you did something so lazy when comparing that to the rest of this list. You pulled together some great references and quotes. You even put Goatlord higher than anyone could have expected and that will be a difficult position to defend. I hate to nitpick because you’ve done such a good job with everything else. I just want to see that album recognized for what it was. It could’ve easily sat comfortably amongst the middle albums.
It’s also possible that the lyrics to Die! Die! My Darling are based upon the film of the same name. Those exact words were uttered in Tallulah Bankhead’s inimitable voice.
This REALLY pisses me off. I love my iPod Classic becasue of it’s storage capacity, but I’m getting dangerously close to filling it up. I’ve been keeping my ear to the Apple rail for years expecting a larger capacity iPod to come on the market just in time to save my music file grubbing ass. I don’t give two shits about those other features.
Since I can’t find the lyrics online and since the lyrics weren’t printed in the liner notes, I’m pretty sure you haven’t read them. But if you would like to tell me what the misogynistic message is, I’m all ears.
Artistically, a vagina happens to be a great metaphor for a trap. Clearly, Wrest felt he was ensnared by this woman.
A fair point. The album was obviously too reactionary to the events. Wrest was clearly very angry at this woman and attacked her in the wrong way. However, it’s important to remember that he uses a specific vagina as his focus of ire rather than vaginas in general.
If he’s guilty of sexually abusing the plaintiff, then the title “True Traitor, True Whore” qualifies Wrest as a misogynistic prick (among other things). If he’s innocent, then the title comes off as a defense and an accusation of a liar. If a woman wrongfully accused me of sexual assault, calling her a traitor and a whore would be the least of the pejoratives I’d be sending her way.
Why you gotta stand there with your pitchfork and your torch? You clearly have no insight into this case.
That’s a pretty ignorant thing to say considering he was cleared of all sexual abuse charges and convicted on a battery charge.
Zoe Bell! Fuck yeah!!!
“They’re fluffy and they purr.”
Just like vaginas.
Just so ya know, yer dumb. It was the combo of cats and the kicking of the vagina (but mostly the kicking of the vagina).
Ben, you’d better be a gay man to make a comment like that.
When I was in Jr High in the late 80s, my school actually hired a third tier butt rock band to play an assembly for us. They were called “The Edge”. I remember distinctly that they had some guy who was dressed like the rest of the band (but he also was sporting a pretty mean skullette), sanding on one of the stacks, shaking his hips, grinning, and playing air guitar. He did that through the whole show. AIR GUITAR! I wonder why I never heard from them again.
Tom doesn’t blog for a music site. Only bloggers blog. An internet fan should know that! Especially one that leaves comments on a music site.
Boris have already released TWO albums this year (on the same day, in fact). Further, I believe this album is made up of different versions of tracks already released on the first two records. Also, I think this was released in Japan BEFORE the other two releases.
The whole thing is very confusing.
Well. Now that Autopsy has delivered, Yob is my #1 most anticipated album right now. Good to hear it’s getting some positive attention.
Some of the best vocals in the biz but “Wino-on-Deathspell Omega”??? I don’t get it.
If you like The Jesus Lizard run, don’t walk to the nearest Melvins record. Houdini is their masterpiece, but I think you’d be just as happy with Bullhead or Gluey Porch Treatments. Also, try out Boris. Start with Pink or Heavy Rocks or Amplifier Worship. You might also dig Harvey Milk. Start with Courtesy and Good Will Toward Men.
Cool! The Foo Fighters sound like Turbonegro now. I like that Dave is screaming now. He screams well.
Well, I’m crazy about both slow and fast. So, I think I’ll just go in order of release. Ashes has been hyped for so long I don’t think I can wait any longer. Thanks for the input.
Great list! Triptykon and Immolation should have been higher. Darkthrone was too uneven to be as high as it was. Haven’t heard Drudkh cause I was never able to really absorb their previous record. I can’t imagine this was any better. After being introduced to them through Blood in our Wells I was super excited about more Drudkh. I should have delved into pre-Blood rather than post. I’m glad you put Burzum in your top ten. The backlash was completely unfounded. Great album! Kylesa… yawn. Haven’t heard the new Harvey Milk because I’m still too obsessed with their previous record. Maybe this year. I can’t imagine Agalloch being better than DsO, but then again, I haven’t heard any Agalloch other than Pale Folklore. Should I go for Ashes or Marrow first? Thou, Ludicra, Inquisition, Locrian, Salome and Dawnbringer are all high on my list to check out next. Stickin’ with Nachtmystium?
If the Tomb Within had three more songs, it could’ve been #1. Next year.
Since there’s little chance that a Haitian ever traveled to Norway and got on Varg’s lawn, well, he has no reason to hate them.
Belief that a race is inferior does not mean he wishes for them to suffer… necessarily.