Mumford & Sons have sounded off about Jay Z’s new Tidal streaming service in an interview with The Daily Beast. Long story short: they’re not fans. Guitarist and comedian Winston Marshall called all of the A-list celebrities pimping out the project “new school fucking plutocrats,” and main singer Marcus Mumford had the most to say on this subject:

We wouldn’t have joined it anyway, even if they had asked. We don’t want to be tribal. I think smaller bands should get paid more for it, too. Bigger bands have other ways of making money, so I don’t think you can complain. A band of our size shouldn’t be complaining. And when they say it’s artist-owned, it’s owned by those rich, wealthy artists.

We don’t want to be part of some Tidal ‘streaming revolution’ nor do we want to be Taylor Swift and be anti-it. I don’t understand her argument, either. The focus is slightly missed. Music is changing. It’s fucking changing. This is how people are going to listen to music now—streaming. So diversify as a band. It doesn’t mean selling your songs to adverts. We look at our albums as stand-alone pieces of art, and also as adverts for our live shows.

What I’m not into is the tribalistic aspect of it—people trying to corner bits of the market, and put their face on it. That’s just commercial bullshit. We hire people to do that for us rather than having to do that ourselves. We just want to play music, and I don’t want to align myself with Spotify, Beats, Tidal, or whatever. We want people to listen to our music in their most comfortable way, and if they’re not up for paying for it, I don’t really care.

Smaller bands have a better opportunity in the music industry now than they’ve ever had, because you don’t need to have a record deal to have your music listened to worldwide. It’s democratized the music industry. So as much as it sucks, and they need to figure out how to represent people fairly financially, you’ve never been able to get your music.

Sounds sensible! It’s worth noting that Swift isn’t actually anti-Tidal — everything except 1989 is streaming on the service. She has, however, been adamant about the downsides of Spotify.

And Mumford & Sons aren’t alone in criticizing the new streaming service — Lily Allen also had something to say recently:

i LOVE Jay z so much, but TIDAL is soon expensive compared to other perfectly good streaming services, he's taken the biggest Artists

— lily (@lilyallen) March 30, 2015

made them exclusive to TIDAL (am i right in thinking this ?), people are going to swarm back to Pirate sites in droves

— lily (@lilyallen) March 30, 2015

sending traffic to torrent sites. up and coming (not yet millionaires) artists are going to suffer as a result.

— lily (@lilyallen) March 31, 2015

maybe I'm missing something, and really its amazing and will change everything for the better, but, yeah i must be missing something

— lily (@lilyallen) March 31, 2015

i think i may have spoken too soon, and that there is a lot to celebrate where TIDAL is concerned, i won't delete my posts because

— lily (@lilyallen) March 31, 2015

my concerns are genuine, i am quite happy to admit i am wrong when i am. its late and I'm going to sleep, more tomorrow. BRB

— lily (@lilyallen) March 31, 2015

also, unless TIDAL start sending everyone good quality headphones, the resolution thing is kinda redundant.

— lily (@lilyallen) March 31, 2015

WE COULD JUST STRIKE TILL THE LABELS GIVE US OUR FAIR SHARE OF STREAMING REVENUE,NOT TAKE ADVANCES, NOT DELIVER MUSIC, FOR THE FUTURE ARTIST

— lily (@lilyallen) March 31, 2015

A REAL REVOLUTION YEAH………..GUYS…………GUYS………….USHER?……….MADGE……. DAFT PUNKS ?? GUYS ???????? *WAVES AT YACHT*

— lily (@lilyallen) March 31, 2015