The Pretenders frontwoman Chrissie Hynde has been making headlines lately for some particularly tone-deaf comments that blame rape victims for their assaults. The comments initially sprang from her sharing the story of her own assault in new memoir Reckless: My Life As A Pretender. Hynde continued to stumble through the ordeal by giving a weird “I haven’t really thought about it” answer to critics, and effectively doubling down on her stance. Luckily, someone got her to change the subject when she appeared on Conan.

Hynde talks about the punk music revolution, and how performing was scary but better than waiting tables:

She also addresses the early days of MTV and how that changed the perception of being in a band and needing to look good:

Finally, she discussed her complicated relationship to fame:

Not a hint of conversation about the victim-blaming comments. Good work everyone.