I don’t know if you’ve heard, but Arcade Fire have a new album on the way. They’ve already shared the title track and “Creature Comfort” from the forthcoming Everything Now, and they debuted another song called “Signs Of Life” at a recent tour stop in England. Yesterday, they played a set at the Netherlands’ Best Kept Secret Festival, and while they were there, Dutch music site 3voor12 caught up with Win Butler to discuss the somewhat divisive “Everything Now.”

“Everything Now” samples the flute and some vocals from Cameroonian artist Francis Bebey, and in the interview, Butler reveals that the song actually started out as a remix of Bebey’s “The Coffee Cola Song.” “I was working on a remix of the song, writing a completely different song around it, without even thinking about it,” he says. “It took a couple of months to even realize ‘Everything Now’ was a song.” He also addresses the song’s alleged corniness and decries corporate monetization of the internet as “hi-jacking all of human content and turning it into money.” Watch below.