Kamasi Washington feels like jazz’s first crossover star in a long time, and certainly like the first in a while who found fame without smoothing out the wilder edges of his sound. And now he’s gotten to the point where he can play his funky saxophone freakouts on public television. Last week, as Pitchfork points out, Washington was a guest on the PBS talk show Charlie Rose. On the show, he talked a bit about the connections between jazz and hip-hop. And he and his band also performed “Re Run” and “The Rhythm Changes,” two of the songs from Washington’s massive 2015 triple album The Epic. Watch the whole 20-minute segment below.

The Epic is out now on Brainfeeder.