In 2009, when Lil Wayne signed Drake to Young Money, Weezy was finishing up an incredible half-decade run during which he earned his self proclaimed status as Best Rapper Alive. In the intervening six years, Wayne has never consistently matched that quality, too often sounding like a cackling-goblin parody of himself. Meanwhile, Drake has evolved from a dopey, starry-eyed cornball to a charismatic cornball capable of putting some respectable bars together (sometimes with a little help from his friends). Although Wayne was the one who launched Drake into the spotlight, Drake has often seemed like the one keeping Wayne relevant recently. And even if you think both guys are garbage, considering their longstanding bond, it was surprising to hear Wayne on Cari Champion’s ESPN Radio podcast Giving Major Props openly asserting his superiority over Drake as a rapper. “I annihilate that guy,” Wayne told Champion, albeit in a fit of laughter that suggests the boast is all in good fun.

Wayne also talked about Hurricane Katrina, Straight Outta Compton, and his advice to Drake when he signed to Young Money, among other things. And although he wouldn’t comment on Drake vs. Meek Mill, he said he believes everybody enjoys Drake’s Meek diss track “Back To Back.” Complex conveniently excerpted Wayne’s appearance below.