R.E.M. may be broken up (cue “Everybody Hurts”) but they’ve been in the public eye a lot this year due to reissuing their 1992 classic Automatic For The People. Their latest appearance is on the season finale of the Song Exploder podcast, in which frontman Michael Stipe and bassist Mike Mills spoke to host Hrishikesh Hirway about the second song on that album, “Try Not To Breathe.” Listen below to learn how Stipe connects his late grandmother to a sci-fi classic.